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Amigo
 
Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 06:48 pm
http://www.mala.bc.ca/~lanes/english/hemngway/picasso/guernica.jpg
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boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 07:00 pm
Spanish songs in Andalucia
The shooting sites in the days of '39
Oh, please, leave the vendanna open
Fredrico Lorca is dead and gone
Bullet holes in the cemetery walls
The black cars of the Guardia Civil
Spanish bombs on the Costa Rica
I'm flying in a DC 10 tonight

Spanish bombs, yo tequierro y finito
Yote querda, oh mi corazon
Spanish bombs, yo te quierro y finito
Yo te querda, oh mi corazon

Spanish weeks in my disco casino
The freedom fighters died upon the hill
They sang the red flag
They wore the black one
But after they died it was Mockingbird Hill
Back home the buses went up in flashes
The Irish tomb was drenched in blood
Spanish bombs shatter the hotels
My senorita's rose was nipped in the bud

The hillsides ring with "Free the people"
Or can I hear the echo from the days of '39?
With trenches full of poets
The ragged army, fixin' bayonets to fight the other line
Spanish bombs rock the province
I'm hearing music from another time
Spanish bombs on the Costa Brava
I'm flying in on a DC 10 tonight
Spanish songs in Andalucia, Mandolina, oh mi corazon
Spanish songs in Granada, oh mi corazon
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boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 07:16 pm
http://www.abcgallery.com/D/dali/dali47.JPG
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 07:30 pm
Colin Powell just joined the forum. Please cover that up.

Great reproduction for the internet of the painting that still has never been supplanted as the masterpiece of anti-war art. There was Goya before him, and, surprisingly John Singer Sargent.

http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/content/vol62/issue1/images/medium/yai40009f140pPDF.jpg

Gassed
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 08:16 pm
Sargent had another one I liked, back after I look around..
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Chai
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 08:22 pm
I have to admit, I'm one of those ignorant people who never did "get" Picasso.

The only thing I know about cubism is he was putting an entire face/body on one plane.

I've always wanted to understand about him, but no matter how hard I look, I see something I could have drawn when I was 4.

I'm open to learning, anyone care to give me a very basic idea of what he's supposed to be all about?

I'm going to bed right now, so won't read until the AM.

nighty night.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 08:26 pm
On Sargent, I'm probably way off on the other painting. Will post back if I figure what I'm talking about, and then y'can laugh.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 08:28 pm
(I'm probably thinking of a Manet similar to a Goya..)
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 09:16 pm
The most famous anti-war Goya image, "The Execution of the Rebels"

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_goya_2.jpg
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 09:26 pm
Yes, the beauty of such horror! A profound paradox.
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Shapeless
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 10:11 pm
Chai wrote:
I'm open to learning, anyone care to give me a very basic idea of what he's supposed to be all about?


The most compelling descriptions of cubism I've read are in Timothy Clark's book Farewell to an Idea. There's a chapter given over to Picasso's works of around 1908-12. Clark's writing can be quite dense and his conclusions about the cultural import of cubism are kind of laughable (it's what cubism looks like from the point of view of a washed-up Marxist, as he himself admits somewhere in the chapter), but the analyses of the paintings themselves are a joy to read. Perhaps some A2Kers who are more knowledgable than me in matters of visual art have a more nuanced opinion of Clark, but I find that he makes me notice the most microscopic details in a way that really makes the paintings come alive. Though I do it with some reservation, I would tentatively recommend leafing through his book.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 11:04 pm
Lightwizard, That painting Gassed, Man! what a painting!

Look at that yellow. How in the hell do people paint like that. It's like...three colors right? Extraordinary.

To hell with the abstract.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 12:09 am
Chai wrote:
I have to admit, I'm one of those ignorant people who never did "get" Picasso.

The only thing I know about cubism is he was putting an entire face/body on one plane.

I've always wanted to understand about him, but no matter how hard I look, I see something I could have drawn when I was 4.

I'm open to learning, anyone care to give me a very basic idea of what he's supposed to be all about?

I'm going to bed right now, so won't read until the AM.

nighty night.
I would guess the reason you don't "get" Picasso is the same reason I don't "get" Picasso and that is because he ain't that good.

I mean look at his stuff.........yea what about it ....big deal.

I grew up around art. I'm an artist (try to be), grew up around artist and museums and I paint with pros, And still with Picasso I don't see what all the whoopla is all about.

Geurnica is different.

In April 26, 1937 The town of Geurnica was bombed by the nazis for strategic reasons unknown by the 5000 innocent people getting ready for the market day.

The attacks destroyed the majority of Guernica. Three quarters of the city's buildings were reported completely destroyed, and most others sustained damage. A minimum of 1,654 dead and 889 wounded.

For whatever reason Picasso loved Spain. So when the innocent town Guernica was was destroyed by Fascist Nazis Picasso did a painting about it.

Everything in the painting means something. Some agree some don't. But most everybody agrees that the light at the top is a symbal for the fascist government that droped the bombs on Geurnica.

The man laying dead on the floor is a symbal for man defeated dead and hopeless against a power so strong that is why his sword is broken.

And everything else means something too but I am tired of typing.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 08:27 am
Quote:
For whatever reason Picasso loved Spain.


Quite possibly it is because Picasso was from Spain.
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Letty
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 08:33 am
Hee, hee, boomer. How did you know that?

Your painting by Dali was typical(Civil War, right?)

Here is an atypical Dali.

http://www.charnine.com/paintings/images/Dali.jpg
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Amigo
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 09:18 am
boomerang wrote:
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For whatever reason Picasso loved Spain.


Quite possibly it is because Picasso was from Spain.
Hey, that would make sense then. Smile

By the way I liked that song you posted, interesting.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 09:43 am
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Amigo
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2007 10:38 am
http://www.artunframed.com/images/compressed/compressed6/orozco.jpg

Nobody beats Jose Clemente Orozco for war paintings

NOBODY!!!

right?
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2007 12:54 pm
Right, except maybe Goya.
By comparison to Orosco and Goya Guernica is a very artistic or refined cartoon. Nevertheless, Picasso is one of the all-time greats. His freedom of creation (i.e., inventive and experimental expression) was astounding.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2007 04:04 pm
People keep telling me intill I study what picasso was doing and the history of it all I wont appreciate it.In fact I have lost respect from people in art for criticizing Picasso.

You said "Goya Guernica"??????

I just got back from Michaels (art supply) and spent 40$ Shocked .

I need to look at more Goya.
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