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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 10:10 am
The expression "most patients initially experience relapses with complete or near-complete recovery interspersed with periods of clinical remission" and the expression "most become disabled in time as a result of incomplete recovery" seem to contradict each other.

The first expression says "in the beginning, most patients experience relapses; but the situation will change: they will thereafter continue to recover (meantimes interrupted with periods of remission though).
In other words, first relapse, finally recover!

The second expression tells us: "(finally) most become disabled in time as a result of incomplete recovery from relapses...".

Well, the two are fighting against one another!
What logic is it?

Context;Multiple Sclerosis
Claire S. Riley
Mark J. Tullman
MS is a chronic inflammatory demyelinating disease of the CNS of unknown cause. The course is extremely variable, but most patients initially experience relapses with complete or near-complete recovery interspersed with periods of clinical remission. Although a minority of patients have only minimal symptoms, most become disabled in time as a result of incomplete recovery from relapses or conversion to a progressive phase of the disease.
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 10:26 am
@oristarA,
They are telling you that some forms of MS present as an illness with episodes of recovery and remission.

During early stages of those forms some of the episodes of the recovery may be to complete recovery. As the illness continues, remission and recovery and remission continues. Recovery in later stages is less likely to be complete.


these forms of MS could be examples of the saying "one step forward, two steps back".

https://patientcontent.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/StudentArticle/education/multiple-sclerosis/ms-progression-graph.jpg

http://www.patient.co.uk/education/multiple-sclerosis
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 10:53 am
@ehBeth,
Excellent answer, ehbeth, I was hoping there would be a graph to make sense of the sentence.

Joe(Seriously. Well done.)Nation
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 10:31 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

They are telling you that some forms of MS present as an illness with episodes of recovery and remission.

During early stages of those forms some of the episodes of the recovery may be to complete recovery. As the illness continues, remission and recovery and remission continues. Recovery in later stages is less likely to be complete.


these forms of MS could be examples of the saying "one step forward, two steps back".

https://patientcontent.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/StudentArticle/education/multiple-sclerosis/ms-progression-graph.jpg

http://www.patient.co.uk/education/multiple-sclerosis


Excellent!

Your presentaton alone stands with logical perfection.
It helps, no doubt about that.

It reflects the complexity, atrocious grammar and even the imperfection of the orginal text (that context).

Let us take a review on the original text:

MS is a chronic inflammatory demyelinating disease of the CNS of unknown cause. The course is extremely variable, but most patients initially experience relapses with complete or near-complete recovery interspersed with periods of clinical remission. Although a minority of patients have only minimal symptoms, most become disabled in time as a result of incomplete recovery from relapses or conversion to a progressive phase of the disease.

"Most (patients) become disabled (sometimes in future) due to " incomplete recovery from relapses." Well, those who have got complete or near-complete recovery will not become disabled. Since most patients initially experience relapses with complete or near-complete recovery , in other words, the "most patients will not become disabled." So saying " most become disabled in time as a result of incomplete recovery from relapses or conversion to a progressive phase of the disease" is not acceptable; it is logically flawed. Because when "most patients have had a complete recovery", they cannot at the same time "have had incomplete recovery."

The illusion that readers will easily be buried within is: People with complete recovery at the initial stage will at later time relapse as well.

No, that is not true. The authors themselves have denied it: patients become disabled due to incomplete recovery, not from complete recovery.

Oh, what a mess.





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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2012 10:46 pm
"Most" is like a king,
And patients are like a kingdom;
One king rules,
Two kings kill.
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