MENTAL PROCESSES CONCERNING MODESTY or NUDITY

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If we had a psychology forum,
I 'd post this there, but I believe that this is probably as close as I can get.

I 've always been interested in psychology and parapsychology,
for their own sake. Sometimes, when people do things, or say things,
I can 't help but wonder what is going on in their minds.

Recently, I saw something on the news of a young woman
whose step father had arranged his computer so that a camera thereof
was aimed at her bed. It was discovered that he had fotografed her in an unclothed condition.

Y ? HOW does this work, in people 's minds ?
What interest did he ( probably ) have in this ?
Y do people care ?
Is there a typical sexual difference regarding interest in this ?
R only males interested ?
Females don 't care ?

She said that she reacted with very intense emotions of revulsion.
Her mother divorced him because of this.

Another story concerned someone who had drilled tiny holes into hotel rooms,
or motel rooms, allegedly to spy upon the guests in states of undress.
( Litigation resulted. )

Thus, the dichotomy between modesty against nudity;
i.e., competing values, antagonistic to one another.

WHAT 's GOING ON ?
Y the interest ?
Y bother ?

I believe that Darwin was correct,
in that our ancestors evolved from animals.
In prehistoric times, the hides of animals who were slain
for their meat, were applied to fending off the cold,
thus having tangible, demonstrable, functional utility;
but more than that, beyond that, social thoughts have become endemic
of vague rongness, and impropriety toward failure
to cover up, particularly some specific parts of human anatomy,
regardless of the weather.

WHAT 's GOING ON ?
Y is Playboy Magazine ( which shows nudity, but not active sexuality ) so financially successful ?

Y do people care ?
Y do thay distinguish between old and young ?
SPECIFICLY, what danger of harm is there
to a child who gets a Playboy or a National Geographic Magazine and sees nude Indians ?
In a worst case scenario, what ill effects can happen to him ( or her ) ?
Blindness ? Hair growing out of the palms of his hands ?

Y is there such intense and EMOTIONAL controversy ?

What r the competing goals behind desires for anatomical secrecy
or the opposite thereof ?

For purposes of simplicity,
I 'd like to limit this discussion to the issues of modesty contrasted to nudity,
NOT including acts of sexuality, so that we ll not get into any weird fetishes, etc.

Any thoughts ?

David

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Fetishism was introduced as a psychological scientific term in 1887 by Alfred Binet and meant sexual admiration of an inanimate object.

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dyslexia wrote:

Fetishism was introduced as a psychological scientific term in 1887 by Alfred Binet
and meant sexual admiration of an inanimate object.

I 'd rather that we don 't get into fetishes
( whips, chains, rubber, leather etc. ).
Thay can be the subject matter of another thread in their own right.

Let 's limit this to modesty v. nudity.

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I've never seen you type so quietly before, David. Are you ok?

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gustavratzenhofer wrote:

I've never seen you type so quietly before, David.
Are you ok?

Yes; thank u.

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I don't see a problem here. I like seeing naked girls.

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NickFun wrote:

I don't see a problem here. I like seeing naked girls.

I did not mean to imply that it is a problem.

I was just hoping that people wud share their thoughts
on WHAT is going on, and HOW it is going on in their minds.

I do not mean to ADVOCATE any policy, one way or another.

I 'm just curious about the psychology of it.
David

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For what reason
do people take the time & trouble to visit nudist colonies ?

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It's not smart to write Y for why and all the other things U do.

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

For what reason do people take the time & trouble to visit nudist colonies ?

They do?

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

For what reason
do people take the time & trouble to visit nudist colonies ?

I never have, but I have to admit that in certain situations, such as swimming, especially, I enjoy the freedom of no constricting clothes. When I was a teen-ager and into college, I had a group of friends (male and female) with whom I'd go skinnydipping all the time- and it never led to any sexual activity (that I can remember specifically)- it was more about freedom. As an adult, I only ever do it in the privacy of my own pool, but I have to admit I did it just about every night in the summer. I'd tell my kids- "Don't come out here for an hour" and enjoy the feel of the water in the moonlight- very, very liberating.

Although I had a very modest mother- I've never seen her naked- even though I am also female- I did not seem to inherit that specific modesty gene from her. When my kids were little, I'd get in the bathtub with them (more from practicality than anything else- to save water and time) but the main thing was, I wasn't embarrassed to be naked in front of them, as my mother seemed to feel to be in front of me. As they've gotten older and I know that it would embarrass them to see me naked, I respect that.

I also respect that they are more modest than I am. Again, although my daughter is also female, I have not seen her naked, because she hasn't wished me to citing embarrassment, since she was about ten.
Maybe this has to do with the fact that I grew up with a bunch of sisters, and we shared rooms, etc., while she is the only girl and has always had the luxury of privacy. I don't know....I think the modesty thing is personality and experience based.

Spying on people is reprehensible and sad. I would say the father did that to his daughter because he had a thing for young girls which he couldn't admit to his wife. She probably divorced him because knowing that is what he preferred, made her feel inadequate.

I enjoy looking at nude bodies if they are attractive. Like anything else, if it's not an attractive sight, I will avert my eyes- no harm done.

*David- I like your bold colors. It's just not you without them. I understand they bug everyone- but can't you even just pick a color or something- Happycat and Pheonix get to- why can't you?

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aidan wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
For what reason
do people take the time & trouble to visit nudist colonies ?

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I never have, but I have to admit that in certain situations,
such as swimming, especially, I enjoy the freedom of no constricting clothes.
When I was a teen-ager and into college, I had a group of friends
(male and female) with whom I'd go skinnydipping all the time-
and it never led to any sexual activity (that I can remember specifically)-
it was more about freedom.
As an adult, I only ever do it in the privacy of my own pool,
but I have to admit I did it just about every night in the summer.
I'd tell my kids- "Don't come out here for an hour"
and enjoy the feel of the water in the moonlight- very, very liberating.

Although I had a very modest mother- I've never seen her naked-
even though I am also female- I did not seem to inherit that specific
modesty gene from her. When my kids were little, I'd get in the bathtub
with them (more from practicality than anything else- to save water and time)
but the main thing was, I wasn't embarrassed to be naked in front of them,
as my mother seemed to feel to be in front of me. As they've gotten
older and I know that it would embarrass them to see me naked, I respect that.

I also respect that they are more modest than I am.
Again, although my daughter is also female, I have not seen her naked,
because she hasn't wished me to citing embarrassment, since she was about ten.
Maybe this has to do with the fact that I grew up with a bunch of sisters, and we shared rooms, etc.,
while she is the only girl and has always had the luxury of privacy.
I don't know....I think the modesty thing is personality and experience based.

Spying on people is reprehensible and sad.

Yes; that is known to be the case, but Y ?

Can we identify the psychodynamics:

1 ) of the MOTIVATION

and

2 ) the resentment thereof ?

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I would say the father did that to his daughter because he had a thing for young girls
which he couldn't admit to his wife.
She probably divorced him because knowing that is what he preferred,
made her feel inadequate.

I enjoy looking at nude bodies if they are attractive.
Like anything else,
if it's not an attractive sight,
I will avert my eyes- no harm done.

Yes; the same as their faces,
or anything else.

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*David- I like your bold colors.
It's just not you without them.
I understand they bug everyone-
but can't you even just pick a color or something-
Happycat and Pheonix get to- why can't you?

Some of the citizens of A2K have appealed to me so PLAINTIVELY,
that I 've become sympathetic to their plight.
Hence, I will employ differences
of font size n color with restraint n judiciously.
Thank u for your support, R

C u in a couple of days; I 'm driving upstate to see some friends.
David

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McTag wrote:

It's not smart to write Y for why and all the other things U do.

Yes; it is.

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Francis wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
For what reason do people take the time & trouble to visit nudist colonies ?

They do?

Yes; some of them do.
If u don 't believe it, go there and report back.

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Have a Lucky 7/7/7, Rebecca,
David

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Yes; that is known to be the case, but Y ?

Can we identify the psychodynamics:

1 ) of the MOTIVATION

and

2 ) the resentment thereof ?

For me, the motivation is that I like the way it feels to be unconstricted by clothes, especially in water- I don't know maybe subconsciously I'm remembering how it felt to be in the womb. Because it does have a very pacifying and calming, soothing effect on me-warm water always has.

But I've never been ashamed of my body or nakedness- even when I was awkwardly nine months pregnant- I used to just look at it and marvel at what it was capable of, including the incredible (but some would say unattractive) transformation it had gone through- I found it beautiful.

I have no issue with children being exposed to National Geographics or nudity within their own family, as long as it is not sexualized and they feel safe and comfortable with it. My children don't- I don't know why- but they don't- so I respect that and always have. But I think it can be harmful to make a child feel that his or her body is something to be ashamed of- because I think this unnecessarily may sexualize a phenomenon that shouldn't be sexualized.

Maybe the resentment comes from not feeling able to be as free and open. Some people are very closed down when it comes to their bodies, and maybe their envy of the ability of others to feel free about it is processed and converted into and expressed in outward disapproval.

Okay- have a nice trip. I like the blue print- thank you. And yes, I will have a great 7/7/07. I'm going to the Priddy Folk Festival today. It's a fair that has been going on in Priddy, (this little tiny village up on the Mendips that has these amazing prehistoric burial mounds) since 1348 when it was moved out of Wells during the Black Death.

Then tonight friends from work are having a going away get together for me and a great guy named Tony- who got FIRED Crying or Very sad

for absolutely no reason. Anyway- I think it will be fun...What are you doing...whatever it is have FUN
Talk to you soon- Rebecca

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I have always wondered why humans wear clothes, and i dont mean to avert the harmful effects of weather either Razz

Why are we ashamed of our bodies? i mean we all for the most part, have the same, parts..

Could it be that easy visual access to another persons body (the way most animals choose mates is done visually right?) made it so that , well lets say a guy isnt well endowed, if every female saw this they would think he wasnt a good mating partner (im assuming this btw..), so we evolved clothes to hide our genitalia to increase our chances of finding a mate?

naked, clothed, i honestly don't care. why does everyone else? Or could it be without clothes as a symbol of our "status" or wealth, we would all be alot more equal? just look at how celebs dress compared to regular folk, ( not 100% true but most the time they dress way more luxuriously expensive!)

ok moving on im about to go off on a tangent or 5.

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nudism
David, as with most every human endeavour there are many reasons for visiting or joining a nudist colony or club.

Honesty--No attempt at dressing up or down in order to impress others.

Religious-- To appear before your gods or peers without shame or concealment.

Curiosity-- What does clothes free feel like?

Health-- Reasonable amounts of sunlight improves both health and appearance.

Reactionary-- Desire to return to a simpler lifestyle, sans clothes, cell phone etc.

Social-- Desire to associate with other like minded people.

Recreational-- Swimming, hiking, sunbathing, dancing, massages, hot tubbing are all very satisfactorily performed nude.

Try my favorite. Perhaps we'll see you there.

wwwavalon-nude.com

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akaMechsmith wrote:

David, as with most every human endeavour there are many reasons for visiting or joining a nudist colony or club.

Honesty--No attempt at dressing up or down in order to impress others.

Religious-- To appear before your gods or peers without shame or concealment.

Curiosity-- What does clothes free feel like?

Health-- Reasonable amounts of sunlight improves both health and appearance.

Reactionary-- Desire to return to a simpler lifestyle, sans clothes, cell phone etc.

Social-- Desire to associate with other like minded people.

Recreational-- Swimming, hiking, sunbathing, dancing, massages, hot tubbing are all very satisfactorily performed nude.

Try my favorite. Perhaps we'll see you there.

wwwavalon-nude.com

Is that a pun ?
David

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Pun?
David,
I reckon it could be. Smile

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