Muslim Activists Drive: UK terror threat now 'critical'

What laws are those, Mr Bigoted Big Mouth? There are NONE.

I actually come from the UK, and I know what i am talking about. It is actually my job to know about these things.

We don't need right wing big mouth Americans to tell us what to do in our own country. Maybe you could find some sand to pound? Maybe in Iraq, where your wonderful "surge" has worked so well?

Good question and thanks for the more badges of honor of disrespectful taunts for saying nothing but pure facts. I would expect nothing less from such a burning heart liberal such as yourself. Sounds like you're in denial, or just ill informed / propagandaized. I dont like doing charactor attacks since the facts speak for themselves, though that is all you can attempt to do.

Just because you haven't been paying attention to the news, in how many court cases & laws that have been made enforcing sharia law all over britian doesn't mean I need to show you every case. You're the one who wont lift your head out of the sand, poor boy.

You haven't read how courts which already forced non-religious schools to create Sharia-compliant uniforms , and then were sued by Islamic groups for those still not being Islamic enough, though were very much Islamic than anything Britain has ever seen before.

They already changed the school uniform laws to make Islamic dresses for girls , this is leading into the direction of making the hijab mandatory.

There are already laws for schools that require all NON-MUSLIM female attendees in the UK to wear Islamic HEADSCARVES (HIJABS) such as outlined at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=410312&in_page_id=1770

Quoting only your own Biritish Mainstream news media 61% of UK Muslims want the EXTREME SHARIA LAW as the law for Britian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/islam/story/0,,1362591,00.html

Like I said the list goes on and on, but just because you dont read the news I dont have to spoon feed the daily news to you.

About the Iraq war, they probably still would have bombed your tube tunnel if we weren't in Iraq, THATS THEIR RELIGION and I think we are SLOWING DOWN THE ISLAMIC JIHAD / CONQUEST OF THE WEST. All Europeans should be on their knees thankful to Americans for fighting on the front lines for you.

Talk about twisting and bending words... Here is what the paper actually said:
Some 61% wanted Islamic courts - operating on sharia principles - "so long as the penalties did not contravene British law".

What is so "EXTREME" about that?

Well said, Coolwhip. I fear words are wasted on George Bush's poison dwarf who started this thread.

You're really selective on who & what you call extreme. People like you, and your selectivity prove this article is so true: Christendom: The ONLY Forbidden Cultural Society

What a load of bs, so in all christian european countrys all the foreigners are treated like any other citizen? Not true. Just look at all the rioting in France, or pretty much anywhere.

What a poor attempt at victimizing christians. Really sad.

U.K. police make 5th terror arrest
U.K. police make 5th terror arrest

So you're saying if a group of non citizens burned down 10,000 cars in a foreign country (like the foreigners did in france) that they would react the same way as the French and only try to "listen" and "change" their laws to make it easier for them to remain in their country? They weren't rounded up & killed like would happen in any non western country. That would be considered a declaration of war by any other country. Notice it was the same time they were burning down stores & cities in Denmark over the cartoons, but the media deliberately ignored the events until a french paper 6 months later forced the issue of the Mohammed cartoons back on everyone, for finally everyone to take notice of the Denmark riots, which also sparked buildings burning down & riots again all over the world, not only in Denmark as part of the CONQUEST OF THE WEST, especially wearing fake suicide belts during protests in Britain again. Signs saying "all non muslims must be killed", and signs saying "the REAL holocaust is coming", as hundreds of Muslim Activists gathered in support of this enforcement of Sharia law in London.

You might as well be a muslim too the way you hate Christianity, attack it, and side with them.

They weren't foreigners. Your grasp of facts is non-existent. Go pound sand. Like I said,

Only problem is that the "al Hasbah" chat room is REGISTERED WITH A DOMAIN REGISTRATION COMPANY IN SCOTTSDALE, ARIZONA, one that hides the identity of the original registrar.

Does anyone besides me find it strange that after tracking back various "terrorist" (nudge nudge wink wink) websites to places like Texas and Virginia, all of a sudden Domains by Proxy starts up to provide "terrorist" websites with anonymity, and despite the hue and cry against anyone who supports terror and the USAPATRIOT act, Domains By Proxy isn't investigated, harassed, raided, or for that matter even mentioned in the media as an obvious facilitator of the "terrorist" websites?

"Fewer than 50,000 people worldwide have died as a result of terror attacks since the 60's, and accidents causing deer, swimming pools and peanut allergies have all proven more deadly than international terrorism."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/010707exposeshysteria.htm

The reason Terrorism is a big crime is it threatens to topple governments.

Terrorism multiplies a sentence by over 10 times. So if you were hitting someone during a terroristic threat you can get 50 years in prison. The definition of Terrorism under federal law is only when you blow up someone or something, commit some type of major crime, or damage property in the furtherance of politics. The Islamics are charged with trying to further Sharia law, or some other muslim politics which is the only way it can be considered terror under US Federal law.

Wow, quote of the day.

It's clear that Michael1, like most bigots, is a few clams short of a full bake.

Again, the mockers are shown their folly:

Here's the government declaration that violence committed which include terrorism you increase the penalty by 10 levels in the Federal Sentencing Guidelines:

http://www.ussc.gov/FEDREG/fedr1005.htm




Also go to the US Federal code for the definition & standard penalty (not including the sentencing guidelines the courts follow)

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/18/parts/i/chapters/113b/toc.html

Section 2331. Definitions

As used in this chapter -
(1) the term "international terrorism" means activities that -
(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that
are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of
any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed
within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended -
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by
intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass
destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of
the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of
the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they
appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which
their perpetrators operate or seek asylum;

(2) the term "national of the United States" has the meaning
given such term in section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and
Nationality Act;
(3) the term "person" means any individual or entity capable of
holding a legal or beneficial interest in property;
(4) the term "act of war" means any act occurring in the course
of -
(A) declared war;
(B) armed conflict, whether or not war has been declared,
between two or more nations; or
(C) armed conflict between military forces of any origin; and

(5) the term "domestic terrorism" means activities that -
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation
of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended -
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by
intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass
destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of
the United States.


PENALTIES

Section 2332. Criminal penalties

(a) Homicide. - Whoever kills a national of the United States,
while such national is outside the United States, shall -
(1) if the killing is murder (as defined in section 1111(a)),
be fined under this title, punished by death or imprisonment for
any term of years or for life, or both;
(2) if the killing is a voluntary manslaughter as defined in
section 1112(a) of this title, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and
(3) if the killing is an involuntary manslaughter as defined in
section 1112(a) of this title, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Attempt or Conspiracy With Respect to Homicide. - Whoever
outside the United States attempts to kill, or engages in a
conspiracy to kill, a national of the United States shall -
(1) in the case of an attempt to commit a killing that is a
murder as defined in this chapter, be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both; and
(2) in the case of a conspiracy by two or more persons to
commit a killing that is a murder as defined in section 1111(a)
of this title, if one or more of such persons do any overt act to
effect the object of the conspiracy, be fined under this title or
imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both so fined
and so imprisoned.

(c) Other Conduct. - Whoever outside the United States engages in
physical violence -
(1) with intent to cause serious bodily injury to a national of
the United States; or
(2) with the result that serious bodily injury is caused to a
national of the United States;

shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten
years, or both.
(d) Limitation on Prosecution. - No prosecution for any offense
described in this section shall be undertaken by the United States
except on written certification of the Attorney General or the
highest ranking subordinate of the Attorney General with
responsibility for criminal prosecutions that, in the judgment of
the certifying official, such offense was intended to coerce,
intimidate, or retaliate against a government or a civilian
population.



A ten level increase for violence turns a 5 year sentence into a potential maximum of a 50 year sentence. There are also other factors which can make the sentence even higher.

Actually they did some updating

§3A1.4. Terrorism
(a) If the offense is a felony that involved, or was intended to promote, a federal
crime of terrorism, increase by 12 levels; but if the resulting offense level is less
than level 32, increase to level 32.
(b) In each such case, the defendant's criminal history category from Chapter Four
(Criminal History and Criminal Livelihood) shall be Category VI.

(note I'm not an attorney or expert, or know-it-all when it comes to all this stuff, but I recall that a level 32 as above is the MINIMUM for crimes of terrorism, can include life in prison in many cases. Courts are no longer bound to follow the guidelines. In some they can bargain to get 8 years, but terrorism charges are always a side issue to a crime, to increase the crime's levels).

beyond help this one

British police ID 2 suspects as doctors


Hey if you want one of these Jihad bombers to be your doctor at the hospital HELP YOURSELF!

British police ID 2 suspects as doctors

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070702/ap_on_re_eu/britain_terrorism;_ylt=At_ul_VY5l93_6DiwvSWslis0NUE

By DAVID STRINGER, Associated Press Writer 34 minutes ago

LONDON - An Iraqi physician and a Palestinian doctor working at British hospitals were identified Monday among those held in the failed car bomb attacks on London and Glasgow, while authorities announced the arrest of an eighth suspect and extended their probe overseas.
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Officers used heightened stop-and-search powers and armed response vehicles to hunt for anyone else who might have been involved in the plot, and police put on a show of force to bolster security at airports and train stations and on city streets.

Police said Monday night that another man had been arrested in the plot at an "undisclosed location." Officials declined to comment on a British Broadcasting Corp. report, citing unidentified sources, that the suspect was detained in another country it did not specify.

A British security official said earlier that Pakistan and several other nations had been asked to check possible links with the suspects. British-born terrorists behind the bloody 2005 London transit bombings and others in thwarted plots here were linked to terror training camps and foreign radicals in Pakistan.

"We have asked partners overseas to check possible links and that work has begun," the security official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

Authorities said police searched at least 19 locations as part of the "fast-moving investigation," which has come at a time of already high vigilance before the anniversary of the suicide bombings in London that killed 52 people on July 7, 2005.

In the latest attacks, two car bombs failed to explode in central London on Friday and two men rammed a Jeep Cherokee loaded with gas cylinders into the entrance of Glasgow International Airport and then set it on fire Saturday.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the group behind the attacks is "associated with al-Qaida."

The government security official said investigators were working on one theory that the same people may have driven the explosives-laden cars into London and the blazing SUV in Glasgow.

The unidentified driver of the Jeep was being treated for serious burns at Royal Alexandra Hospital in Glasgow, where he was under arrest by armed police. Bomb experts carried out a second controlled explosion on a car at the hospital Monday, after a similar blast Sunday. Police said the car was linked to the investigation, but no explosives had been found.

Police also announced they arrested two men Sunday at residences at the hospital, but would not say if the men were doctors. Four men and a woman had been detained earlier.

Authorities identified Bilal Abdulla, an Iraqi doctor who worked at the Glasgow hospital, as the other man arrested at the airport and said he was being held at a high-security police station in Glasgow.

According to the British General Medical Council's register, a man named Bilal Talal Abdul Samad Abdulla was registered in 2004 and trained in Baghdad. Staff at the Glasgow hospital said Abdulla was a diabetes specialist.

A man arrested late Saturday on a highway in central England was another physician, Mohammed Jamil Abdelqader Asha, police said. A Jordanian official said Asha was of Palestinian descent and carried a Jordanian passport.

Britain's Sky News said a third suspect among those held was also a doctor, but gave no details. Police would not confirm the report.

"This case could be the final proof that an idea those involved in these type of attacks are all young, angry and poorly educated is a mistake," said Paul Cornish, a former British army officer and director of defense studies at London's Chatham House think tank.

"It's wrong to suggest al-Qaida are ignorant hill men. They are often middle or upper class and well educated," Cornish said.

Former U.S intelligence officer Bob Ayers, now a security analyst based in London, said wealth or intelligence matters little to people committed to extremism.

"We shouldn't be surprised that educated men are as involved as poor youngsters," he said. "They all subscribe to the same radical ideology, that's the only criteria they need to fill."

Salil Vengalil, a doctor at North Staffordshire Hospital, near the Midlands town of Newcastle-under-Lyme, said Asha worked in the neurology department at that hospital.

A doctor at the Royal Alexandra Hospital in Glasgow, who refused to give his name, said he recognized Asha as a doctor who also kept an office there; the hospital would not confirm that.

In Amman, Jordan, Asha's father, Jamil, denied his 26-year-old son had any terrorist leanings.

"My son is a moderate Muslim and carried out his religious duties, but he never embraced fanaticism," Jamil Asha told The Associated Press.

Information also surfaced Monday suggesting authorities had been close on the trail of the alleged plotters before the attack at the Glasgow airport.

Rental agent Daniel Gardiner, whose company leased a Glasgow-area house searched by police, said officers contacted his firm just before the airport blaze, saying they had tracked phone records linked to the property.

Officials recovered at least one cell phone from the car bombs in London, Rep. Peter King of New York, the senior Republican on the U.S. House Homeland Security Committee, said Friday after being briefed about the London situation.

As the investigation spread, police flooded London's subway and train stations, even clamping down on access to the Wimbledon tennis tournament, where concrete blocks were set in front of the main entrance.

The heavy police presence around Parliament didn't deter tourists, who thronged the area, posing for photographs near the heavily fortified entrance to the prime minister's Downing Street office.

In a statement to the House of Commons, Home Secretary Jacqui Smith urged Britons to remain united.

"Let us be clear: terrorists are criminals, whose victims come from all walks of life, communities and religious backgrounds," she said. "Terrorists attack the values that are shared by all law-abiding citizens. It is through our unity that the terrorists will eventually be defeated."

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Associated Press writers Ben McConville in Glasgow, Rob Harris; in Newcastle-under-Lyme, England; and Shafika Mattar in Amman, Jordan, contributed to this report.

Mark Steel: Most Druids are crazy, so why don't they attack us?
If Stonehenge was bombed, you'd soon see one behaving strangely outside a nightclub
Published: 04 July 2007

Among the many complex questions involving the minds of terrorists is why they would rely on a mobile phone to work properly as the detonator. All that effort, ending with a furious Jihadist snarling, "Bollocks, I can't get a signal."

Or maybe the terrorists have modernised their facilities, so instead of an instant explosion he heard a voice saying, "Welcome to the Al Qa'ida automated answering service. If you'd like to hear about our special summer range of fertiliser, nails, 3-for-the-price-of-2 gas cylinders and an exciting variety of combustible materials, press one..." So by the time it said, "Or if you'd like to detonate a Silver Mercedes press seven," he'd lost interest and hung up.

You'd think there must have been a question mark within Al Qa'ida over the standard of their operatives ever since it was revealed a few months ago they were plotting to bomb the Ministry of Sound. Keep up, boys, the dance scene is SO 1990s. Imagine the embarrassment if they'd blown the place to bits, then discovered it was empty while 3,000 people were up the road watching Arcade Fire.

It might go against their instincts, but they'd probably be better off employing a cultural officer. He could report every month on who's likely to be hot, and plan the explosions accordingly. Then the minutes of their Jihad Council would read: "Meanwhile, one unlikely tip for the top is the hi-energy folk-rock combination the Gogol-Bordellos, whose blend of infidel strings-based melodies and catchy rhythms that spew forth from the heathen cries of Satan look set to storm the UK charts, attracting crowds well worth immolating with holy vengeance."

So nothing went off, and ever since, the politicians and newsreaders have congratulated us on our British resolve. We've shown the terrorists they can't win, by displaying our heroic determination to carry on as normal, and bravely continued weeding the garden or going up the shop for biscuits, even though only 30 miles away a car was towed away. And they're all keen to point out this is British resolve, not the spineless European resolve, where people hear a bang and then all kill themselves.

Over here people say things like "I'm SO determined to carry on as normal, since the weekend I've not only kept on having a full English breakfast every morning, I've had TWO. So tell Bin Laden to stick that up his hand-held rocket launcher."

And we can be grateful that, at least in Glasgow, this time it's fairly certain the police have captured the right person - although even there you half expected them to miss him, and then make an appeal at a press conference, saying "We are looking for a man who is around 5ft 11in, whose distinguishing features include flames shooting out from the top of his head."

With all the excitement, though, everyone appears to have missed yet another explosion. It took place at the end of last week, when the Washington Post reported a "NATO and US-led assault" on the Afghan village of Hyderabad. Wali Khan, the member of the US-backed parliament for the area, was quoted as saying, "More than 100 people have been killed. But they weren't Taliban. The Taliban were far away from here. The people are already unhappy with the government. But these kinds of killings of civilians will cause people to revolt against the government."

Out there, if they had a day like our weekend, the news reporter would say, "What a day - only two unexploded bombs and a nutcase setting himself alight at an airport - so let's go straight to sport."

Instead, everyone in the area must scream "It's no use trying to understand them, they're just crazy," and "Who let these savages into the country?"

A US army spokesman said the civilian deaths proved "insurgents are continuing their tactic of using women and children as human shields." So there's another lesson for Al Qa'ida. They could claim the Tiger Tiger nightclub was actually a military airfield, with a runway in the cloakroom, and civilian deaths would only have shown the British were using people who dance as human shields.

The reasons why someone erratically drives a car bomb to a nightclub or into an airport must be complex, but there's no doubt it's far more likely if you come from a region that's been mercilessly bombed by the government of the country you decide to bomb in return. That was certainly the view of the intelligence report seen by Blair before the occupation of Iraq. Maybe a combination of rage and helplessness leads some people to feel that at least blowing something up is acting rather than doing nothing, and they then seek justification for their decision by appealing to the far reaches of their religion.

Because there are obsessive people in all religions, but without an earthly motive, they don't usually resort to blowing up civilians to please their God. Most Druids are crazy, but they don't normally bother anyone. However, if Stonehenge was bombed on the Summer Solstice, and teepees set ablaze with an excuse that they were threatening us with fertility symbols of mass destruction, you'd soon see the odd one behaving strangely outside a nightclub or airport.

Luckily with this last effort, the terrorists' level of incompetence was too great. If it turns out that there was a cell of medical professionals behind it all, maybe that's what saved us. Junior doctors are so knackered after a 22-hour shift that they are almost bound to make a hash of anything.