Whole House Water Filter System

In Oz we have large tracts of space, very big tractors, sattelite tracking systems, but no water softeners in fact we have very little water.

What kind of water softener would god use?

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dyslexia wrote:

Are you still here?

Yep ~

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H2O_MAN wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
Are you still here?

Yep ~

no hacer aqua aqui.

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Whole house Water Filter System
H20_MAN thanks, I'll take a closer look at the system you recommended and may have some more questions on this.

If anyone else has thoughts on this, please post. Thanks.

And yes my water distiller looks just like the one you posted the photo of, except I have the smaller holding tank. Have had it for years: works well and no problems to date.

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fmdeutsch wrote:

I am considering a whole house water filtration system. ... I am on city water.... I am currently using Culligan for soft water. I use a water distillation system for my drinking water and will continue to distill my drinking water.

Then all you should need is a water softener.

fmdeutsch wrote:

My goal is to get my own whole house water filtration system to:
(1) get rid of the monthly bill to Culligan ($56.00 to swap out the tank)
(2) get clean chlorine free (minimal trihalomethanes) water for bathing
(3) get clean (minim2al contaminants, VOCs, etc) water for bathing
(4) have the water soft enough to protect my plumbing
(5) reasonable price/minimal maintenance system purchase or DIY

THMs (and VOCs although your city water probably doesn't have any in it) are removed with a distiller that includes carbon filtration. Does your distiller have carbon filtration?

For chlorine removal during showering, you can use a shower head filter that you might buy at Wal-Mart etc. for about $20.00. Otherwise you need a POE carbon filter, but I am not a fan of removal of chlorine on a whole house basis. The chlorine is in the water for a number of good reasons....

Water is either hard or soft. In residential softener application, we speak in gpg (grains per gallon) and 0 gpg is soft while more hardness than that means the water is hard and the softener isn't working correctly IMO. The WQA says the softener isn't working correctly if the hardness is over 1 gpg.

So ya wanna be dependent on a local dealer or independent?

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Gary Slusser wrote:

THMs (and VOCs although your city water probably doesn't have any in it) are removed with a distiller that includes carbon filtration. Does your distiller have carbon filtration?

For chlorine removal during showering, you can use a shower head filter that you might buy at Wal-Mart etc. for about $20.00. Otherwise you need a POE carbon filter, but I am not a fan of removal of chlorine on a whole house basis. The chlorine is in the water for a number of good reasons....

THMs and VOCs are a direct result of chlorination and are prevalent in municipal H2O.

I can't think of a single good reason to keep chlorine in your household water... none.

Whole house chlorine reduction is well worth the investment and
cost you far less to maintain than a few little point of use filters.

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H2O_MAN wrote:

THMs and VOCs are a direct result of chlorination and are prevalent in municipal H2O.

Both are regulated and very rarely will city water have THMs or VOCs in it but... You should look up what are called VOCs and then see how much/many of them if any is found in city water. Or are you into scaring people to sell things?

H2O_MAN wrote:

I can't think of a single good reason to keep chlorine in your household water... none.

Try harder.

H2O_MAN wrote:

Whole house chlorine reduction is well worth the investment and cost you far less to maintain than a few little point of use filters.

There you go again with the "investment" thing. Folks, IT'S an EXPENSE and after you buy it, it will cost you more money to maintain it and if you try to sell it, you get $0 to next to nothing for it.

And you must be paying too much for shower head filters if you think they cost more than carbon in a glorified Kenmore $3500 water softener or $1000+/- Ecowater carbon filter.

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Gary Slusser is messing with H20MAN. Pretending that he knows more about water softeners than the THE MAN!

Slusser, my friends....... is going down!

H20MAN will crush him like a bug.

And I.... will laugh.

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And here I was just starting to like you Gus... But then, after THE MAN fails to crush me, we might still be able to be friends huh 'cuz then I would be as you say, THE MAN. Yet who knows what with this new guy John sneakin' in now...

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Gary Slusser wrote:

H2O_MAN wrote:
THMs and VOCs are a direct result of chlorination and are prevalent in municipal H2O.

Both are regulated and very rarely will city water have THMs or VOCs in it but... You should look up what are called VOCs and then see how much/many of them if any is found in city water. Or are you into scaring people to sell things?

H2O_MAN wrote:
I can't think of a single good reason to keep chlorine in your household water... none.

Try harder.

H2O_MAN wrote:
Whole house chlorine reduction is well worth the investment and cost you far less to maintain than a few little point of use filters.

There you go again with the "investment" thing. Folks, IT'S an EXPENSE and after you buy it, it will cost you more money to maintain it and if you try to sell it, you get $0 to next to nothing for it.

And you must be paying too much for shower head filters if you think they cost more than carbon in a glorified Kenmore $3500 water softener or $1000+/- Ecowater carbon filter.

Scary:

fmdeutsch, mentioned THMs and VOCs and he has a valid concern.
The feds rarely meet regulated limits on much of anything. They tend to just raise the limits.

Chlorine:

You may want chlorine in your water, but people that possess a tad more awareness
and intelligence than you display want the chemical removed from their household H2O.

Investment example:

I invested in a high end Heat and A/C system for my home. It was professionally installed by the selling dealer.
It is super efficient and as long I have it professionally serviced it will save me money every day, every month,
every year for many many years. If I try to sell it in a few years I will get little if anything for it.

A few sure things about going cheap:

I could have invested in the cheapest system I could find online, install and service it myself and maybe save a few $ up front - maybe not.
A cheap system would not be as efficient as the high end unit I purchased, the manufacturer will not warranty my installation or my service
and the low $ unit will end up being much more expensive than the high end system I have. The cheap system will cost me money.

Some people understand this - some people do not.

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H2O_MAN wrote:

Investment example:

I invested in a high end Heat and A/C system for my home. It was professionally installed by the selling dealer.
It is super efficient and as long I have it professionally serviced it will save me money every day, every month,
every year for many many years. If I try to sell it in a few years I will get little if anything for it.

You're comparing complex heating and air conditioning systems with a WATER SOFTENER!

H2O_MAN wrote:

A few sure things about going cheap:
I could have invested in the cheapest system I could find online, install and service it myself and maybe save a few $ up front - maybe not.
A cheap system would not be as efficient as the high end unit I purchased, the manufacturer will not warranty my installation or my service
and the low $ unit will end up being much more expensive than the high end system I have. The cheap system will cost me money.

Some people understand this - some people do not.

"A few sure things about cheap..."maybe save a few $ up front - maybe not". I'm not so sure because you forget that you are speaking hypothetically. You didn't shop locally and then compare online OR find the thing online with or without shopping locally and see if there was any voided warranty or other problems/issues with you installing (A WATER SOFTENER).... as online shoppers actually do and find there are no problems with them installing their WATER SOFTENER. And they DO save money, big bucks, thousands, ACTUALLY.

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Not all softeners are created equal.

The low $ unit will end up being much more expensive than the high end system.

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Gary....... shut up will you.

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Gary Slusser wrote:

I would be as you say, THE MAN.

You have already establsihed youself as da hypocrite
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http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2722276#2722276

You'll never be da man

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H2O_MAN wrote:

Not all softeners are created equal.

The low $ unit will end up being much more expensive than the high end system.

All water softeners use the same ion exchange process to remove hardness from water. They all use co or counter current regeneration; the vast majority are co-current (downflow brining).

So you're saying that the more a person pays for a softener, the better the softener. I can tell you that a lot of people think that's softener salesmen hype used to justify their rip off prices.... Which it is.

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I said not all softeners are created equal. There are many different configurations available.
Entry level systems, high end systems and everything in between.
The lowest price system usually ends up as the system with the highest cost.

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One configuration is the separate resin tank and brine tank two tank type. Unlimited size/capacity in K grains. This configuration is sold by the vast majority of national brand and independent dealers although many independent dealers also sell the next configuration too, usually only when there is a confined space problem. It is the easiest to work on and most versatile design. The brine tank can be removed to 20' away from the resin tank if needed. Control valves can be day timer, metered/demand, day timer or metered delayed metered immediate regenerated when the gallons remaining reach zero.

Another configuration is the cabinet model with the resin tank inside the brine tank, single tank type. All big box brands and most if not all Ecowater softeners use this configuration. They are more difficult to work on and the physical size and therefore the max capacity in K is limited to the size of resin tank that can fit in a cabinet. Usually not more than 1.2 cuft; a 10" diameter resin tank. Controls valves can be day timer, metered/demand, delayed or immediate regenerated when the gallons remaining reach zero.

Another configuration is a single control valve with two separate resin tanks and a separate brine tank twin alternating type. There are two versions, the most common version allows water through only one resin tank at a time and another but uncommon version allows water through both resin tanks until regeneration, then in both versions you share the water flow to drain with your household water use. Unlimited size/capacity in K grains. This configuration regenerates immediately when the demand/metered control valve reaches zero gallons remaining.

And then there is the two two tank configuration softeners set side by side, each with its own control valve and plumbed to deliver water through both softeners together until one immediately or on a delayed basis regenerates when the remaining gallons on the meter reach zero or the time of a delayed regeneration is reached. Control valves can be day timer, metered/demand, delayed or immediate regenerated when the gallons remaining reach zero.

Prices vary and the higher the price you pay... simply makes the dealer and salesperson more money.

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Gary Slusser wrote:

Prices vary and the higher the price you pay... simply makes the dealer and salesperson more money.

............ Rolling Eyes

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