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HHO Gas: Enabling a car to run on water

 
 
Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 08:00 am
HHO Gas: Enabling a car to run on water and proven Commercial Applications, is already providing value in commercial use for: Fusing, Brazing, Cutting, Welding, Soldering, and Heating

Watch the movie here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLghlPaDND8

Presentation:
http://hytechapps.com/video/hta05.mov

The company:
http://hytechapps.com/
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Wilso
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 08:13 am
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Coolwhip
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 09:13 am
Saying the car runs on water is grossly misleading. Making the infamous HHO gas requires just as much energy as you get from burning it. I.e. It's only a energy transporter, not a resource.
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Solve et Coagula
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 02:23 pm
Sounds nuts for sure, but if the following statements are true, then building an engine to run on some kind of "water explosion" is possible.

http://www.geocities.com/waterfuel111/water_explosion_menu.html

Official scientific studies confirm the possibility and strong power, and over unity of the exploding of water with an electric arc/spark. See papers from Pr. Peter Graneau University of Oxford, Gary Johnson Kansas State University, George Hathaway, Richard Hull, ...

The latest watercar technique utilizes a little known "exploding water" technique. This is based on a high capacitance discharge in water or water vapor which causes a "cold fog jet" pressure pulse together with light flash and sonic concussion. This is basically a lightning and thunder reaction and is the approach that shows the most promise when applied to an internal combustion engine. This is the recommended approach as it requires less energy and produces a powerful result without consuming the water, which is simply recycled repeatedly in order to achieve 300 mpg or more.

History of Water Arc Explosions :
The unusual strength of explosions caused by a pulsed current flowing through water plasma was first noticed in 1907 by Trowbridge (1) in his early high voltage laboratory at Harvard University. When he passed an arc through a spray of water, the resulting explosion was louder than in ordinary laboratory air. During the second world war, Frungel measured the strength of water arc explosions and published his results in 1948 (2). He concluded that they were not caused by heat and steam and freely admitted that he was unable to explain the phenomenon. Soon after Frungel's publications, water arc explosions found applications in electrohydraulic metal forming(3) and underwater pulse echo sounding (4). In 1969, the US Bureau of Mines issued a long report on their investigation into using water arc explosions for rock fragmentation (5). In one experiment the investigators at the Twin City Mining Research Center noticed that the energy output was apparently 156% of the input.

Not until the mid-1980s was the scientific basis of the puzzling explosions more extensively researched. At MIT (6,7). It was shown that the discharge of 3.6 kJ of stored capacitor energy would create pressures in excess of 20.000 atm. In 7 ml of water. 3.6 gm of water was ejected from an accelerator barrel at a velocity of the order of 1000m/s, sufficient to penetrate a ΒΌ" thick aluminum plate (8).
This website is devoted to building one variation on suggested technology referenced above: http://hydrogengarage.com/pwm3f/

Probably a couple hundred people scattered all over the world trying to make this work.
Links: http://blog.waterforfuel.com/
http://www.powerlabs.org/waterarc.htm (It seems obvious that this fellow is putting in more energy than can be extracted, but the experiment is of high interest) More high voltage fun: http://www.powerlabs.org/highvoltage.htm

I don't have time right now, but plan on making a very simple proof of principle demonstration using an ultrasonic humidifier unit and some high voltage equipment I already have.

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=144858
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