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Europeans' flight from Europe

 
 
au1929
 
Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 08:37 am
The fruits of a socialistic society and unchecked immigration .

Europeans' flight from Europe
TODAY'S COLUMNIST
By Paul Belie
June 6, 2007



Last year more than 155,000 Germans emigrated from their native country. Since 2004 the number of ethnic Germans who leave each year is greater than the number of immigrants moving in. While the emigrants are highly motivated and well educated, "those coming in are mostly poor, untrained and hardly educated," says Stephanie Wahl of the German Institute for Economics.
In a survey conducted in 2005 among German university students, 52 percent said they would rather leave their native country than remain there. By "voting with their feet," young, educated Germans affirm that Germany has no future to offer them and their children. As one couple who moved to the United States told the newspaper Die Welt: "Here our children have a future in which they will not have to fear unemployment and social decline." There are two main reasons why so-called "ethno-Germans" emigrate. Some complain that the tax rates in Germany are so high that it is no longer worthwhile working for a living there. Others indicate they no longer feel at home in a country whose cultural appearance is changing dramatically.
The situation is similar in other countries in Western Europe. Since 2003, emigration has exceeded immigration to the Netherlands. In 2006, the Dutch saw more than 130,000 compatriots leave. The rise in Dutch emigration peaked after the assassinations of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh. This indicates that the flight from Europe is related to a loss of confidence in the future of nations which have taken in the Trojan horse of Islamism, but which, unlike the Trojans, lack the guts to fight.
Elsewhere in Western Europe immigration currently still surpasses emigration, though emigration figures are rising fast. In Belgium the number of emigrants surged by 15 percent in the past years. In Sweden, 50,000 people packed their bags last year -- a rise of 18 percent compared to the previous year and the highest number of Swedes leaving since 1892. In the United Kingdom, almost 200,000 British citizens move out every year.
Americans who think that the European welfare state is the model to follow would do well to ponder the question why, if Europe is so wonderful, Europeans are fleeing from it. European welfare systems are redistribution mechanisms, taking money from skilled and educated Europeans in order to give it to nonskilled newcomers from the Third World.
Gunnar Heinsohn, a German sociologist at the University of Bremen, warns European governments that they are mistaken if they assume that qualified young ethnic Europeans will stay in Europe. "The really qualified are leaving," Mr. Heinsohn says. "The only truly loyal towards France and Germany are those who are living off the welfare system, because there is no other place in the world that offers to pay for them... It is no wonder that young, hardworking people in France and Germany choose to emigrate," he explains. "It is not just that they have to support their own aging population. If we take 100 20-year-olds [in France or Germany], then the 70 [indigenous] Frenchmen and Germans also have to support 30 immigrants of their own age and their offspring. This creates dejection in the local population, particularly in France, Germany and the Netherlands. So they run away."
On Monday Francois Fillon, the new French prime minister, said that "Europe is not Eldorado," emphasizing that his government intends to curb immigration by those who only seek welfare benefits. "Europe is hospitable, France is an immigration country and will continue to be so, but it will only accept foreigners prepared to integrate," he stressed. Europe cannot afford to be "Eldorado" for foreigners any longer, because it has stopped being "home" for thousands of its own educated children, now eagerly looking for opportunities to move to America, Canada, Australia or New Zealand -- white European nations outside Europe.
While the fertility rate in France is 1.9 children per woman, two out of every five newborns in France are children of Arab or African immigrants. In Germany (fertility rate 1.37) 35 percent of all newborns have a non-German background. Paradoxically, fertility rates in Turkey, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, etc., are lower than among immigrants from these countries in Europe. "A woman in Tunisia has on average 1.7 children. In France she has six because the French government pays her to have them," Mr. Heinsohn explains. "Of course, the money was never intended to benefit Tunisian women in particular, but French women will not touch this money, whereas the Tunisian women are only too happy to... For Danish and German women the welfare benefits are too low to be attractive. Not so for the immigrants. So, what we see in England, France, Germany and the Netherlands are immigrant women who take low-paid jobs which they supplement with public benefits. It is not a fantastic income but sufficient for them," he said.
Europe's welfare system is causing a perverse process of population replacement. If the Europeans want to save their culture, they will have to slay the welfare state.

Paul Belien is a European writer. He is editor of The Brussels Journal and an adjunct fellow of the Hudson Institute.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 10:42 am
You sure do find any story even just slightly anti- Islamic/Arabic; don't you? What do you do; subscribe to a newsletter or something?
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HokieBird
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 10:58 am
revel wrote:
You sure do find any story even just slightly anti- Islamic/Arabic; don't you? What do you do; subscribe to a newsletter or something?


Surprised What part of the article offends you?
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 11:11 am
HokieBird wrote:
revel wrote:
You sure do find any story even just slightly anti- Islamic/Arabic; don't you? What do you do; subscribe to a newsletter or something?


Surprised What part of the article offends you?


The article may even be factual. I have no idea as I have never even looked into or knew there was even an issue of Europeans emigrating due to a rise in Islamic/Arab immigrants who receive welfare which makes the taxes and unemployment rise.

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There are two main reasons why so-called "ethno-Germans" emigrate. Some complain that the tax rates in Germany are so high that it is no longer worthwhile working for a living there. Others indicate they no longer feel at home in a country whose cultural appearance is changing dramatically.
The situation is similar in other countries in Western Europe. Since 2003, emigration has exceeded immigration to the Netherlands. In 2006, the Dutch saw more than 130,000 compatriots leave. The rise in Dutch emigration peaked after the assassinations of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh. This indicates that the flight from Europe is related to a loss of confidence in the future of nations which have taken in the Trojan horse of Islamism, but which, unlike the Trojans, lack the guts to fight.


I also had no idea that Europeans were emigrating to White nations outside of Europe such as the United States.

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On Monday Francois Fillon, the new French prime minister, said that "Europe is not Eldorado," emphasizing that his government intends to curb immigration by those who only seek welfare benefits. "Europe is hospitable, France is an immigration country and will continue to be so, but it will only accept foreigners prepared to integrate," he stressed. Europe cannot afford to be "Eldorado" for foreigners any longer, because it has stopped being "home" for thousands of its own educated children, now eagerly looking for opportunities to move to America, Canada, Australia or New Zealand -- white European nations outside Europe.
While the fertility rate in France is 1.9 children per woman, two out of every five newborns in France are children of Arab or African immigrants. In Germany (fertility rate 1.37) 35 percent of all newborns have a non-German background. Paradoxically, fertility rates in Turkey, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, etc., are lower than among immigrants from these countries in Europe. "A woman in Tunisia has on average 1.7 children. In France she has six because the French government pays her to have them," Mr. Heinsohn explains. "Of course, the money was never intended to benefit Tunisian women in particular, but French women will not touch this money, whereas the Tunisian women are only too happy to... For Danish and German women the welfare benefits are too low to be attractive. Not so for the immigrants. So, what we see in England, France, Germany and the Netherlands are immigrant women who take low-paid jobs which they supplement with public benefits. It is not a fantastic income but sufficient for them," he said.
Europe's welfare system is causing a perverse process of population replacement. If the Europeans want to save their culture, they will have to slay the welfare state.


If you see nothing wrong with those sorts of thoughts, I don't know what to say.
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HokieBird
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 12:03 pm
revel wrote:
You sure do find any story even just slightly anti- Islamic/Arabic; don't you? What do you do; subscribe to a newsletter or something?


revel wrote:
The article may even be factual. I have no idea as I have never even looked into or knew there was even an issue of Europeans emigrating due to a rise in Islamic/Arab immigrants who receive welfare which makes the taxes and unemployment rise.

I also had no idea that Europeans were emigrating to White nations outside of Europe such as the United States.


revel wrote:
If you see nothing wrong with those sorts of thoughts, I don't know what to say.


Astonishing.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 02:00 pm
revel wrote:
You sure do find any story even just slightly anti- Islamic/Arabic; don't you? What do you do; subscribe to a newsletter or something?


FYI the editorial was in the Washington Times. Not a newsletter
As for finding things anti-Islamic. one does not have to look very far. They are written in innocents blood.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 03:52 pm
Re: Europeans' flight from Europe
au1929 wrote:
The situation is similar in other countries in Western Europe. Since 2003, emigration has exceeded immigration to the Netherlands. In 2006, the Dutch saw more than 130,000 compatriots leave. The rise in Dutch emigration peaked after the assassinations of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh.

I am guessing that the rest of his article is as badly researched as this bit. The rise in Dutch emigration did not "peak" after the assassinations of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh. There was some acceleration after the murder of Fortuyn, but there was no "peak". There was not even an acceleration of the growth in emigration after the murder of Van Gogh.

The peak has come only now; in the first quarter of 2007, for the first time emigration dropped a bit again. I guess that Trojan horse of Islamism has become less scary or something..
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 03:58 pm
You need a visa as well as a work permit to immigrate to New Mexico.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 04:03 pm
Just for perspective, does anybody know how many Americans are emigrating from their country every year?
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 04:05 pm
Quoting Paul Belien, au1929 wrote:
This indicates that the flight from Europe is related to a loss of confidence in the future of nations which have taken in the Trojan horse of Islamism, but which, unlike the Trojans, lack the guts to fight.

There's several facts that get in the way of this theory.

First: Of the people who emigrated from the Netherlands in 2006, almost half were not actually Dutchmen. Yes, you heard that right.

Almost half of these emigrants had themselves been born abroad. Most of them were returning to their homeland, some others were moving on to a third country.*

So thats half of the number of emigrants Paul Belien brandishes that straight off the bat doesnt fit in his "native Dutchmen flee from Muslim immigrants" theory.

Second: In fact, almost a third of the emigrants of 2006 had themselves been immigrants from non-Western countries. So we're talking Turks here, Surinamese, Caribbean Antilleans, Moroccans, who had moved to Holland, and are now moving out again.

If anything, one can assume that they are fleeing Dutch xenophobes rather than Muslim immigrants.

Third: A further 10% or so of the emigrants of 2006 were born Dutchmen emigrating to... non-Western countries. My guess is that those are also not fleeing that scary inflow of foreigners in Holland, then.

So, bottom line so far: Only about 40% of those 130,000 emigrants that Paul Belien touts are actually born Dutchmen moving to another Western country, and would thus at least potentially fit the storyline he suggests.

But that is not all. Because Belien makes two arguments. He says the emigrants are fleeing the influence of Muslim immigrants; but he also says that they are fleeing the "European welfare systems":

Quoting Paul Belien, au1929 wrote:
Americans who think that the European welfare state is the model to follow would do well to ponder the question why, if Europe is so wonderful, Europeans are fleeing from it. European welfare systems are redistribution mechanisms, taking money from skilled and educated Europeans in order to give it to nonskilled newcomers from the Third World. [..]

Europe's welfare system is causing a perverse process of population replacement. If the Europeans want to save their culture, they will have to slay the welfare state.

But let us recap: one third of those who emigrated from Holland were people who were born in Third World countries, and are now mostly returning to their home country. Those are surely not fleeing the European welfare state. One tenth were native Dutch moving to non-Western countries. Also unlikely to be refugees from the welfare state. And a sixth were people from other Western countries, returning home. People who came to Holland for a few years to work or to study, and now go back.

That, again, leaves just 40% of the 2006 emigrants - those native Dutchmen moving to another Western country. Are they fleeing the Dutch welfare state, like Belien asserts? That brings us to,

Fourth: I dont know about 2006, but just one year before, more than half of the emigrants moved to... another European country.** From one welfare state to another!

Eg, 17% went to Belgium. 14% went to Germany. 9% went to the UK. 6% went to France. Another 6% went to Spain. (Thats on top of the numbers who went back to their native Turkey, Surinam, Morocco or Aruba.)

If Belien's assertion that Dutch emigrants are fleeing Muslim immigrants and welfare systems were true, you'd expect to find great numbers of native Dutch emigrants moving to, well, countries without many of those pesky welfare state arrangements or Third World folks.

But it turns out that those numbers are not just not great - they're marginal. All of five percent of the Dutch emigrants of 2005 went to the US, and all of 3% to Australia. And those numbers include Americans and Australians who were living in Holland and returned home.

In short:
au1929 wrote:
Paul Belien is a European writer. He is editor of The Brussels Journal and an adjunct fellow of the Hudson Institute.

And he cant count.

(The Brussels Journal is a ragingly xenophobe outlet, by the way.)

* All data on proportions based on data from the Dutch Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS), see here and here.
** Source: Population trends, statistical quarterly of the CBS, 2006/4.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 04:24 pm
Well researched Nimh.


Congratulations.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 04:56 pm
Thanks.

The combined argument about "White flight from Old Europe" (if I can summarise Belien's article like that) comes around often enough. Raised either by far right Euros or by gleeful US conservatives. And its been bugging me just as often.

The thing is that they use numbers that bear no relation to the size of the phenomenon they describe. Sure there are native-born Dutch who leave the country, for example, for Australia or New Zealand or the like, because Holland "is not what it was anymore" - codewords for "theres too many foreigners now". But they make up a very small percentage of the total number of emigrants from Holland. Their number is dwarfed by that of "remigrants" going back to their native, say, Turkey, or Germany. It's also dwarfed by that of native-born Dutchmen who take a job in, say, France or sunny Spain, taking advantage of the new common European labour market - surely a major background of recent increases in emigration. And finally, its dwarfed by the number who emigrate to just across the border in Belgium or Germany for family, work or tax reasons.

And yet these folks refer to those total emigration numbers - "130,000 in one year!" - as if they are in any way a direct reflection of the phenomenon they're describing. Its either really stupid or totally dishonest.

Well, you knew that..
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