alleged plot to use explosives at JFK airport

woiyo, sorry. Must be blowback from the 60s and 70s that drives my suspicion. It aint like this sh!t is something new. We have all been here before. "A Short History of FBI COINTELPRO"

by Mike Cassidy and Will Miller
http://www.monitor.net/monitor/9905a/jbcointelpro.html

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blueflame1 wrote:

"You might also wonder if the alleged plot was hatched by angry nuns or puzzled aborigines." Or the FBI. The twice convicted drug trafficer "agent" was the chicken or the egg that hatched this plot? It's so hard to tell with these "plots" these days. In the 1993 WTC bombing the FBI infiltrater was in charge of supplying the gunpowder which he was supposed to switch to fake gunpowder at the last minute. But the FBI decided to ditch that idea and allowed the real gunpowder to be used. The rest is history. link

Sorry BF but your credibility is highly suspect. Your take on events is inevitably politically extreme.

Of course you are welcome to your opinions but they are generally irrelevant.

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Finn, BS. COINTELPRO was highly suspect and so is the credibility of the FBI and America under another Presidunce who lied us into war. The credibility of those who defend Bushie's lies, spying on Americans and fearmongering is highly suspect. I would think they would be defending the Constitution instead of subverting it.

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Arianna Huffington
The JFK Pipeline "Plot": Another "Chilling" Example of Political and Media Hyperbole

The JFK pipeline plot appears to be the work of yet another gang that couldn't jihad straight.

Its ring leader made a living exporting broken air-conditioner parts to Guyana. Talk about your boom market! Where can I buy stock?

There was no set plan. There was no financing. They didn't have any explosives -- and yet government officials were quoted calling the amorphous plot "one of the most chilling plots imaginable" that almost "resulted in unfathomable damage, deaths, and destruction." And people wonder why the public has become cynical about how the war on terror is being used for political purposes.

What's more, the wave of red alert press coverage turns out to have been based on a misunderstanding of how jet fuel pipelines work. "Such an attack would have crippled America's economy," wailed AP's Adam Goldman. And people wonder why the public has become cynical about how the media uses the war on terror to boost their ratings and circulation.

We've been down this road before, with the Fort Dix Six. We are told again and again that if we don't fight "them" over there, we'll have to fight "them" over here -- perhaps at Circuit City, where all new jihadists take their holy war recruitment tapes to be burned onto a DVD.

And we traveled a similar path with that supposedly terrifying plot to bring down the Sears Tower that was hatched by the "Seas of David" nut jobs down in Liberty City, Florida and egged on by the FBI. These things always seem to follow a pattern: Start with a big media splash: "We got the bad guys! We saved the country!" Then it slowly comes out that the terrorists might not have been so terrifying. Indeed, they are boobs that go to Circuit City to get their jihadist recruitment video burned onto DVD, or they are low-level criminals with delusions of grandeur, goaded into grander fantasies and bigger targets by informants who are getting paid or getting their sentences reduced by the FBI if they deliver.

Then we have fear-mongering presidential candidates like Rudy Giuliani wasting no time laying the JFK plot and the Fort Dix plot at the feet of "Islamic terrorists" -- raising the specter of Osama bin Laden.

It's almost comical how Giuliani keeps trying to present himself as a national security expert. Let's not forget: this is the guy who strongly backed the scandal-plagued Bernie Kerik to be in charge of Homeland Security. Is that the kind of appointment we can expect from President Giuliani (even saying the words makes me feel less safe)?

Michael Bloomberg, Giuliani's replacement as mayor of New York, took a rightly dismissive approach to the JFK plot hype: "You can't sit there and worry about everything. Get a life. You have a much greater danger of being hit by lightning than being struck by a terrorist."

Especially a terrorist like the ones lusting after JFK.

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I know you'd much rather have had the plot come to fruition. Why bother investigating terrorists when idiots like blueflame1 will just say it would never have happened if the government hadn't stopped it?

Rolling Eyes

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McGentrix, was there really a plot? Did it start with the homeless ringleader or with the FBI. Fearmongering that most Americans ignore or scoff at. I'm more scared of the warning Brezinski gave to the Senate Intelligence Committee that the Bushies may stage false flag terrorist attacks then bomb Iran. That was amazing testimony unprecidented in American history.

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blueflame1 wrote:

McGentrix, was there really a plot? Did it start with the homeless ringleader or with the FBI. Fearmongering that most Americans ignore or scoff at. I'm more scared of the warning Brezinski gave to the Senate Intelligence Committee that the Bushies may stage false flag terrorist attacks then bomb Iran. That was amazing testimony unprecidented in American history.

No. There was no plot. there was no plot in 1993 when the WTC was bombed and no plot in 2001.

In your little mind, GW started this ruse during the Carter Administration. See the Muslims did not really capture and hold those hostages. Like the moon landing, is was made for TV.

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Well, if you believe that really, the government was behind 9/11, that Building 7 was rigged and that the towers were brought down by strategically placed thermate, that the Pentagon was really hit by a missile instead of a plane and that Flight 93 didn't exist at all, then it's bloody obvious to doubt the news about the JFK plot......

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woiyo, you really dont wanna know the truth of the 1993 WTC bombing. The FBI infiltrator built the bomb. "Before the bombing, he offered to do a switcheroo on the bombers, substituting a harmless powder for the deadly explosives and thereby preventing any potential catastrophe. The FBI spurned his offer. The New York Times October 28, 1993, article with this revelation was headlined, "Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast." Salem complained to one FBI agent that an FBI supervisor "requested to make me to testify [in public] and if he didn't push for that, we'll be going building the bomb with a phony powder and grabbing the people who was involved in it. But we didn't do that." http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0408c.asp

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The thing about the JFK plot isn't that people didn't want to do damage - they undoubtedly did - but that they were a bunch of morons who had no plan to do so which had any chance of succeeding whatsoever. Yet they are hailed as a major terrorist plot breakup.

It's the same idiocy as the 'fort dix six.' These clowns were going to dress up as pizza delivery men, get onto the base at fort Dix, start shooting soldiers, and then drive out. The odds of success for this plan were 0.0%. Yet it was hailed as some sort of major terror cell broken up.

Not Accurate in either case.

Cycloptichorn

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"hailed as some sort of major terror cell broken up. "?

Who's been doing that?

Two incidents that have been foiled due to the work of dedicated men and women trying their best to safe guard the safety and security of their fellow Americans.

Publicly lauded and appropriately used to demonstrate current efforts to discover and foil dangerous activities by threats both foreign and domestic.

Imagine the uproar by you and your ilk had either incident not been stopped.

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I doubt there would be much uproar from me. Neither plot had a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding in killing anyone.

Terrorism is a fact of life; it's something that we are going to have to deal with in perpetuity. We can't stop them all...

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Who's been doing that?

Conservatives and Republicans.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

I doubt there would be much uproar from me. Neither plot had a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding in killing anyone.

Terrorism is a fact of life; it's something that we are going to have to deal with in perpetuity. We can't stop them all...

You say

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Who's been doing that?

Conservatives and Republicans.

Cycloptichorn

Yea...Stupid Pizza guys who has been on the base for years and known to the soldiers from his Dad's place. Yea, what kind of dummy would be allowed entry to an Army Base since he was known by all, and replaced the Pizza with C-4 with meatballs.

Yea, about as much chance of happening as finding enough nuts to plow planes into buildings.

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woiyo wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
I doubt there would be much uproar from me. Neither plot had a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding in killing anyone.

Terrorism is a fact of life; it's something that we are going to have to deal with in perpetuity. We can't stop them all...

You say

Quote:

Who's been doing that?

Conservatives and Republicans.

Cycloptichorn

Yea...Stupid Pizza guys who has been on the base for years and known to the soldiers from his Dad's place. Yea, what kind of dummy would be allowed entry to an Army Base since he was known by all, and replaced the Pizza with C-4 with meatballs.

Yea, about as much chance of happening as finding enough nuts to plow planes into buildings.

Ridiculous. If you can be let on an Army base with a pizza topped with C4, just because someone at the gate recognizes you, then there is a serious issue with security at that base.

But, keep right on fearmongering. The whole point of terrorism is to make people afraid. And the Republican shtick is that people should be afraid. They are working hand in hand with the terrorists to accomplish their objectives.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

woiyo wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I doubt there would be much uproar from me. Neither plot had a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding in killing anyone.

Terrorism is a fact of life; it's something that we are going to have to deal with in perpetuity. We can't stop them all...

You say

Quote:

Who's been doing that?

Conservatives and Republicans.

Cycloptichorn

Yea...Stupid Pizza guys who has been on the base for years and known to the soldiers from his Dad's place. Yea, what kind of dummy would be allowed entry to an Army Base since he was known by all, and replaced the Pizza with C-4 with meatballs.

Yea, about as much chance of happening as finding enough nuts to plow planes into buildings.

Ridiculous. If you can be let on an Army base with a pizza topped with C4, just because someone at the gate recognizes you, then there is a serious issue with security at that base.

But, keep right on fearmongering. The whole point of terrorism is to make people afraid. And the Republican shtick is that people should be afraid. They are working hand in hand with the terrorists to accomplish their objectives.

Cycloptichorn

Is it ?? Is that what you WISH the reality is??

You are the one in denial.

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Is it ?? Is that what you WISH the reality is??

Do you deny, sir, that the point of terrorism is to spread terror? To sow fear? To enact change through fear?

Cycloptichorn

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blueflame1 wrote:

"You might also wonder if the alleged plot was hatched by angry nuns or puzzled aborigines." Or the FBI. The twice convicted drug trafficer "agent" was the chicken or the egg that hatched this plot? It's so hard to tell with these "plots" these days. In the 1993 WTC bombing the FBI infiltrater was in charge of supplying the gunpowder which he was supposed to switch to fake gunpowder at the last minute. But the FBI decided to ditch that idea and allowed the real gunpowder to be used. The rest is history. link

You have no credibility save within your small but noxious clan of paranoids.

What is a blueflame day like?

Does your anger sustain you?

Do you ever relax or are you only a phony persona on A2K?

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dadpad wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

"So-called?" What would you have it called? "Playful fantasy?"

I'm interested, why did you feel it necessary or appropriate to use the term "so-called?"

Firstly because I tend not to believe everything I read/hear in the press especially first reports.
Secondly law enforcement agencies get things wrong all the time.
Thirdly I'd like to see/hear some kind of concrete evidence of a "plot" Thoughts alone do not constitute a crime. Nor does idle discussion of how commit a crime.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

You might also wonder if the alleged plot was hatched by angry nuns or puzzled aborigines.

I suggest that it is perfectly rational to believe that any plot to blow up an American airport was hatched by Muslim extremists. It could be wrong but based on recent history, it's a pretty safe bet.

The tendency to associate Muslims with extreme acts is not valid. there are millions of Muslims who do not support such extreme action. The tendency to draw an association of Muslim automatically equals extremist is a result of over exposure. I repeat most Muslims are not extremists.

No, actually your first reaction to anything is to discredit Authority.

Some element of this this is wise, a fixation on it is stupid.

Perhaps you are one of the paranoid nut-cases who believe that the US government engineered 9-11. If so, hit whatever button your computer provides to allow you to move on, because I am fully aware that I will never be able to communicate rationally with you.

The press and law enforcement agencies do get things wrong, but a rational assessment is that their mistakes represent a very small percentage of their endeavors. To draw conclusions on the basis of their aberrant behaviors is simply not rational. Undoubtedly it gives you a thrilling sense of being a true radical, but clearly you can only be considered a dilletante in this regard.

As we now know, the miscreants involved in this plot (not, at all, "so-called") were quite happy to, albeit operationally challenged, slaughter millions of Americans in and around JFK airport. Their ineptitude is hardly a mitigating factor for their evil intent.

Reality makes you a laughing stock --- in this case. Chances are excellent, however, that you will always be the laughing stock if your knee jerk reaction is to disregard Authority because it is authoratative.

A sad but classic Liberal flaw.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Is it ?? Is that what you WISH the reality is??

Do you deny, sir, that the point of terrorism is to spread terror? To sow fear? To enact change through fear?

Cycloptichorn

What is your point?

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