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Reply Thu 31 May, 2007 04:26 pm
Fred's in. Now, what do people think of this guy?

Greenwald.... isn't convinced that he's any of the adjectives that get thrown his way.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/05/31/thompson/index.html

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Beltway pundits are so easily fooled, because they are so eager to be. Their brains and emotional reactions -- and thereafter their political statements -- are dominated by these shallow and inauthentic symbols of masculinity and piety which overwhelm reality. They search so desperately for these attributes that they find two-dimensional cartoon images which are just archetypes -- really caricatures -- deeply satisfying.

Thus, parading around in military costumes or excitedly talking about sending people to war is infinitely more important for showing "toughness" than actually doing anything that evinces toughness. Warning in a Southern drawl that God wants marriage to be between a man and a woman is infinitely more important for demonstrating one's "cultural conservatism" than the question of whether one's behavior is actually "culturally conservative."

There is nothing in Fred Thompson's life that he has actually done that makes him "a tough guy" in the sense Fineman means it, nor is there anything that makes him a "cultural conservative." If anything, what his life actually is -- his behavior in reality -- seems to negate those characterizations.

But the illusion of manliness cliches, tough guy poses, and empty gestures of "cultural conservatism" are what the Republican base seeks, and media simpletons like Fineman, Halperin and Matthews eat it all up just as hungrily. That's how twice-and-thrice-divorced and draft-avoiding individuals like Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh become media symbols of the Christian "values voters" and "tough guy," "tough-on-defense" stalwarts.

And it's how a life-long Beltway lobbyist and lawyer who avoided Vietnam, standing next to his twenty-five-years-younger second wife, is held up by our media stars as a Regular-Guy-Baptist symbol of piety and a no-nonsense, tough-guy, super-masculine warrior who will protect us all.


This guy is the Great White Hope for the Republican party. It's become clear to pretty much everyone that Hillary or Obama will beat anyone the Republicans have on the slate so far, so.... here comes a new guy! He was tough on TV! He looks sorta like Reagan! He agrees with Bush on Iraq!

I'd love to hear thoughts from our local crew on whether Thompson has any viability at all as a candidate, and what the effects of his entering the race will be upon the Republican party.

Cycloptichorn
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2007 04:28 pm
pretty good presidential voice, reads scripts well and Foxfyre likes him; what more is there to know?
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2007 04:35 pm
A year ago, Foxfyre was rooting for George Allen. What more is there to know...
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2007 04:38 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
A year ago, Foxfyre was rooting for George Allen. What more is there to know...


Theoretically there are rational Conservatives out there who can comment on Fred, which is what I was aiming for.

Cycloptichorn
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2007 04:40 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
ebrown_p wrote:
A year ago, Foxfyre was rooting for George Allen. What more is there to know...


Theoretically there are rational Conservatives out there who can comment on Fred, which is what I was aiming for.

Cycloptichorn


Why would you expect rational conservatives to show up here now, when we haven't seen any in the last five years?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2007 04:42 pm
Setanta wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
ebrown_p wrote:
A year ago, Foxfyre was rooting for George Allen. What more is there to know...


Theoretically there are rational Conservatives out there who can comment on Fred, which is what I was aiming for.

Cycloptichorn


Why would you expect rational conservatives to show up here now, when we haven't seen any in the last five years?


It's an article of faith of mine that some actually exist.

Cycloptichorn
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2007 05:00 pm
Hey Cyclo, yeah sure, cross-post that Fred Thompson article here.. its worth it ;-). Perhaps the next one too..
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2007 05:02 pm
Thanks Nimh!

nimh wrote:
about Fred Thompson

In 1996, over ten years ago, Michelle Cottle wrote an article for the Washington Monthly about Fred. She introduced him as follows: "Fred Thompson has spun an insider background into a good ol'boy image that could take him to the White House".

Hhmm.. interesting. But there's a more interesting thing in the article. I think the opening paragraphs of this article peg Thompson as forcefully as anything being written about him now...

You thought George Allen was bad?

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Another Beltway Bubba?

True story: it is a warm evening in the summer of 1995. A crowd has gathered in the auditorium of a suburban high school in Knoxville, Tennessee. Seated in the audience is a childhood friend of mine who now teaches at the school. On stage is Republican Sen. Fred Dalton Thompson, the lawyer/actor elected in 1994 to serve out the remainder of Vice President Al Gore's Senate term (when Gore's appointed successor retired after just two years). The local TV stations are on hand as Thompson wraps up his presentation on tax reform, in the plain-spoken, down-to-earth style so familiar to those who have seen him in any of his numerous film and television performances.

Finishing his talk, Thompson shakes a few hands, then walks out with the rest of the crowd to the red pickup truck he made famous during his 1994 Senate campaign. My friend stands talking with her colleagues as the senator is driven away by a blond, all-American staffer. A few minutes later, my friend gets into her car to head home. As she pulls up to the stop sign at the parking lot exit, rolling up to the intersection is Senator Thompson, now behind the wheel of a sweet silver luxury sedan. He gives my friend a slight nod as he drives past. Turning onto the main road, my friend passes the school's small, side parking area. Lo and behold: There sits the abandoned red pickup, along with the all-American staffer.

Clearly, there's more to Fred Dalton Thompson than first meets the eye--which is saying a lot considering this sleepy-eyed Southerner stands 6'5" and weighs 225 if he weighs an ounce. With his pickup truck, his blue jeans, and his deep, friendly drawl, Thompson has cultivated the perfect political image for today's anti-Washington climate: a straight-shooting, no-nonsense man of the people with a big helping of horse sense and a hankering to clean up our nation's capital. Both his 1994 and 1996 Senate campaigns played up this outsider image, portraying Thompson as an average Joe who shares his neighbors' disgust with a political system that no longer serves regular citizens.

But even without the Hollywood credits, the 54-year-old Thompson is far from your average good ol' boy. In the mid-1970s he served as minority counsel to the Senate Watergate Committee, and later as a special counsel for both the Senate Foreign Relations and Intelligence Committees. Even more significantly, for nearly two decades preceding his election to Congress, Thompson was a high-paid Washington lobbyist for both foreign and domestic interests.

Despite his Beltway ties, Thompson has maintained his just-plain-folks status among voters, a feat critics attribute to the senator's acting talents and his shameless use of "props" like the red pickup. Indeed, the charismatic Tennessean's ability to charm a crowd is undeniable. During the 1994 race, whenever the opposition tried to pin the "insider" label on him, Thompson would drawl a few lines about the kind of world he wants to leave his grandkids, and all insinuations that he was part of the Washington establishment disappeared like wood smoke on a warm breeze.

For those outside Tennessee who've never seen Thompson in action, now might be a good time to run down to Blockbuster and rent a few of his flicks. [..] You'll almost certainly be seeing more of this face in the coming months, because Sen. Fred Dalton Thompson may well be the future of the Republican party.


Well. Cottle had the direction right - but instead of faux-folksy Fred you got good ol' boy wannabee W.

Will the Republicans fall for it once more?

Read the rest of the article: The Great Communicator


This one's even better, lol

I hope he tries this again this go around

nimh wrote:
More on the faux-folk of Fred Thompson in this introduction to an article about the backgrounds of fake populism's puzzling appeal in general. Includes the memorable description that Thompson "was about as close to being a salt-of-the-earth Southerner as Truman Capote".

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POPULIST POSEUR FRED THOMPSON
Pickup Artist


by Noam Scheiber
Post date 05.26.07

By the time Fred Thompson decides whether or not to join the presidential fray, you will have heard the story of his red pickup truck at least a dozen times. The truck in question is a 1990 Chevy, which the famed statesman-thespian rented during his maiden Senate campaign in 1994. The idea was that Thompson would dress up in blue jeans and shabby boots and drive himself to campaign events around Tennessee. Upon arriving, he'd mount the bed of the truck and launch into a homespun riff on the virtues of citizen-legislators and the perils of Washington insider-ism. For good measure, he'd refer to himself as "Ol' Fred" and the Chevy as "this ol' baby."

There was no real reason to think the tactic would work. Thompson's own campaign manager dismissed it as "gimmicky and hokey." Thompson, after all, had spent the previous two decades as a well-paid Washington lobbyist and sometime screen actor. He was about as close to being a salt-of-the-earth Southerner as Truman Capote, and it was a stretch to think average Tennesseans wouldn't pick up on the dissonance. Yet the gambit proved wildly successful. Thompson was down big to Democrat Jim Cooper when he initialed his car-rental agreement. He went on to win the race with more than 60 percent of the vote.

It's tempting to credit Thompson's success at populist play-acting to his numerous tours in Hollywood. If ever there were a millionaire who could persuade voters of his regular-guy bona fides, it would be the man who, in The Hunt for Red October, lectured Alec Baldwin that "the Russians don't take a dump ... without a plan." But Thompson is hardly the only Republican to have ridden phony populism to elective office. In 2003, Haley Barbour, perhaps the most accomplished Washington lobbyist of his generation, pig-in-a-poked and dog-won't-hunted his way to the Mississippi governor's mansion. [..] And, of course, a certain Yale-educated Northeastern Brahmin reinvented himself as a brush-clearing country boy en route to winning the White House in 2000. These days, phony populists win with such regularity that you've got to look beyond any particular candidate to find an explanation. [..]


Read the rest of the article.. There's not much otherwise about Thompson, specifically, though, except for the sighing that

    "Had every story written about the 1994 Tennessee Senate race begun, "High-priced GOP lobbyist Fred Thompson, speaking from the red pickup truck he rented to shore up his populist credentials, announced yesterday that ..." the outcome of his campaign might have been different."


Cheers

Cycloptichorn
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