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Why aren’t they all just considered ridiculous?

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 02:57 pm
You're living in fantasy land. The post i quoted was in a thread which MOAN never visited. You were addressing an even loonier religious crackpost, Kevnmoon. And you said that people who disagree should not visit religious threads, or should show respect for people's religious beliefs.

You can deny it if you like, but you will be lying. And that won't surprise me.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 04:05 pm
Setanta wrote:
You're living in fantasy land. The post i quoted was in a thread which MOAN never visited. You were addressing an even loonier religious crackpost, Kevnmoon. And you said that people who disagree should not visit religious threads, or should show respect for people's religious beliefs.

You can deny it if you like, but you will be lying. And that won't surprise me.


You're the liar here.
And you're lying right now, and doing fancy footwork because your claims of what I said keep changing. They've changed in the last 3 posts you just made about this. Now you're saying I said that people that visit the S&R threads should respect people's religions. Before that, you said that I said that no religious beliefs should be challenged.

What was actually said in the case you cited was that the people who were posting to the S&P threads at that time were obviously trying to demean people's beliefs, and that if that's all they wanted to do, they should leave the S&P threads alone.

What was actually said in the posts when you and I fell afoul of each other was that you were being mean to M.A. - evidenced by the simple fact that you insist still on calling her out of her name, even though she changed it.
Nothing more complicated than that.

In your fantasy world, you are privileged to spew bile and speak to people here like you'd never have the balls to do in person, and everyone's supposed to cowtow to that. Fu*k that.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 04:07 pm
If you're not telling a bald faced lie, produce the posts where I supposedly said any one of the 3 things (preferably the first one, before you started tap-dancing) that you claim I said.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 04:13 pm
It is certainly not a lie that you wrote that people who are negative should not visit the S&R forum, or that they should at least show respect for people's religious beliefs.

snood wrote:
A lot of people just post on the religion threads to criticize and ridicule. Be aware, they don't have good intentions toward you.

If they were acting on good motives, they would leave the religious threads to those with religion, or at least make an effort to treat the religions with some respect.
(emphasis added)

You can dance all you want, you clearly claim that people who "criticize and ridicule" should "leave the religious threads to those with religion, or at least make an effort to treat the religions with some respect." That is special pleading, no matter how you attempt to twist the meaning of what you clearly wrote.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 29 May, 2007 07:39 pm
at least make an effort to treat the religions with some respect.

Why?

What is it about holding an opinion based on faith rather than reason which would entitle the holder respect?

Illogical reasoning deserves no respect, not even for the effort.
Why should we respect belief when the only effort is a leap of faith?

Joe(Btw, there is no net.)Nation
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Chumly
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 12:05 am
From my perspective the only "respect" religions have garnered is that of power.

Be it economic / military / political / societal / artistic power.
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 06:07 am
Setanta wrote:
It is certainly not a lie that you wrote that people who are negative should not visit the S&R forum, or that they should at least show respect for people's religious beliefs.

snood wrote:
A lot of people just post on the religion threads to criticize and ridicule. Be aware, they don't have good intentions toward you.

If they were acting on good motives, they would leave the religious threads to those with religion, or at least make an effort to treat the religions with some respect.
(emphasis added)

You can dance all you want, you clearly claim that people who "criticize and ridicule" should "leave the religious threads to those with religion, or at least make an effort to treat the religions with some respect." That is special pleading, no matter how you attempt to twist the meaning of what you clearly wrote.


You call it what you want - when you're just ridiculing and demeaning to fulfill your own perverse needs, it doesn't matter if you dress it up like its some sort of highminded intellectual exercise.
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 06:18 am
snood wrote:
Setanta wrote:
It is certainly not a lie that you wrote that people who are negative should not visit the S&R forum, or that they should at least show respect for people's religious beliefs.

snood wrote:
A lot of people just post on the religion threads to criticize and ridicule. Be aware, they don't have good intentions toward you.

If they were acting on good motives, they would leave the religious threads to those with religion, or at least make an effort to treat the religions with some respect.
(emphasis added)

You can dance all you want, you clearly claim that people who "criticize and ridicule" should "leave the religious threads to those with religion, or at least make an effort to treat the religions with some respect." That is special pleading, no matter how you attempt to twist the meaning of what you clearly wrote.


You call it what you want - when you're just ridiculing and demeaning to fulfill your own perverse needs, it doesn't matter if you dress it up like its some sort of highminded intellectual exercise.


Ridiculing, demeaning and debating is what A2K is all about. If you don't like it go to a forum that allows only like minded religious members. There you can feel as secure as you want know that everyone will agree with you.

But as long as your on A2K do not expect to be treated like a spoiled child, whining whenever someone make fun of your beliefs. If you don't like what they say present facts to back your position or beliefs. Pissing and moaning about how religion should be above criticism is nonsense. Religion has to much impact on todays world to be above criticism or ridicule.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 08:36 am
Sort of like, if you can't stand pointy things, stay away from the forum.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 08:40 am
snood wrote:
You call it what you want - when you're just ridiculing and demeaning to fulfill your own perverse needs, it doesn't matter if you dress it up like its some sort of highminded intellectual exercise.


I have certainly never called "it" a high-minded intellectual exercise.

However, this was a good response, because it reveals your irrational anger which always boils beneath the surface, ready to explode at anyone who tells you that your idiotic imaginary friend superstition is an idiotic superstition.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 08:49 am
I take a middle ground with all of this. I don't think that there is any excuse for ridiculing a particular person. I don't think though, that religion itself is above ridicule. I think that the problem is that there are many people who take their religion very seriously, and see any criticism of it as a personal attack.

Let's look at this another way. (for the religious amongst us) Let us say that someone has written a post that disparages your religion. Now, in your mind, if you substitute the name of your religion with that of some other religion, of which you had no emotional commitment, would you react the way that you do?

For instance, if I wrote a scathing critique of, oh, I dunno, say Shintoism, would that bother you?
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 08:49 am
Mornin' Set. Hows things in the midwest?
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 08:49 am
xingu wrote:
Ridiculing, demeaning and debating is what A2K is all about.


Really? We can ridicule and demean other members? And here I thought A2K was about debating and an exchange of ideas and opinions. Guess I was wrong about that.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 08:52 am
neologist wrote:
Mornin' Set. Hows things in the midwest?


You would need to ask someone who is actually in the midwest.

Just havin' a cup of coffee . . . i'll get back to ya . . .
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 08:53 am
CoastalRat wrote:
xingu wrote:
Ridiculing, demeaning and debating is what A2K is all about.


Really? We can ridicule and demean other members? And here I thought A2K was about debating and an exchange of ideas and opinions. Guess I was wrong about that.
Yeah, but you can judge the intellectual veracity of the post from the demeanor of the member. So, the point is often made in its detraction.
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 08:53 am
CoastalRat wrote:
xingu wrote:
Ridiculing, demeaning and debating is what A2K is all about.


Really? We can ridicule and demean other members? And here I thought A2K was about debating and an exchange of ideas and opinions. Guess I was wrong about that.


I was not talking about people but ideas. If you had read my post properly you would see I was speaking about religion being ridiculed, not individuals.
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 08:55 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
I take a middle ground with all of this. I don't think that there is any excuse for ridiculing a particular person. I don't think though, that religion itself is above ridicule. I think that the problem is that there are many people who take their religion very seriously, and see any criticism of it as a personal attack.

Let's look at this another way. (for the religious amongst us) Let us say that someone has written a post that disparages your religion. Now, in your mind, if you substitute the name of your religion with that of some other religion, of which you had no emotional commitment, would you react the way that you do?

For instance, if I wrote a scathing critique of, oh, I dunno, say Shintoism, would that bother you?


Shoot, I'm never bothered by anyone who critiques any religion, be it Christianity, Buddhism, Islam or whatever. It is the making fun of religions that tend to keep me away from this board. Too many here think they are being clever in doing so, when all it really amounts to is childishness. So I ignore those individuals who act in that manner and only respond to those who have not proven themselves childish and who may want a serious discussion or answer to something.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 08:56 am
Setanta wrote:
neologist wrote:
Mornin' Set. Hows things in the midwest?


You would need to ask someone who is actually in the midwest.

Just havin' a cup of coffee . . . i'll get back to ya . . .
That's my problem, Set. I never know where you are or where you're coming from.

Just poured my own and I'm sitting here going back and forth between a2k and eBay.
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 09:01 am
xingu wrote:
CoastalRat wrote:
xingu wrote:
Ridiculing, demeaning and debating is what A2K is all about.


Really? We can ridicule and demean other members? And here I thought A2K was about debating and an exchange of ideas and opinions. Guess I was wrong about that.


I was not talking about people but ideas. If you had read my post properly you would see I was speaking about religion being ridiculed, not individuals.


That is not what you wrote however. Nothing in your post to indicate that limits ridiculing to ideas. But I will take your word that that is what you meant. So, you really believe that when two people have different ideas, views, beliefs, etc. that in any discussion of such it is fair game to ridicule and demean anothers views or beliefs? And just how does that advance the discussion or the exchange of viewpoints?
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2007 09:02 am
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It is the making fun of religions that tend to keep me away from this board. Too many here think they are being clever in doing so, when all it really amounts to is childishness.


Coastal Rat- I agree, to a certain extent. I think that there are those on A2K who have not got beyond adolescent teasing. I do think though that there are people who take umbrage when they are called upon to defend their beliefs.

Years ago, it was fashionable to say that you don't talk about sex, politics, or religion in polite company. The internet has turned that idea on its ear, and no subject is above verbal dissection. I think that many people, on all parts of the religious continuum, don't always know how to deal with religious discussion in an adult manner.
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