mysterymeat wrote:So,you would have no problem with me smoking some pot before I go to work,then immediately jump in my truck and haul poisonous chemicals thru your town while still stoned?
After all,I smoked pot at home on my own time.
I think you are smarter than what you wrote, but where ever in my remarks did you see me claim that I had no problem with impaired drivers?
You attempt to conflate my disdain for random drug tests with acquiescence to working drunk or stoned on the job has no legitimate basis from my remarks.
Rather, I see it as being no problem for me that you to stone out as you listen to an Andy Williams album singing "Try to Remember" from the Fantasticks after you've been
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whipped by rain driven by the snow
and been from Tucson to Tucancary Tahathapi to Tanapall
and driven every kind of rig that's ever been made
driving the back roads so you wouldn't get weighted
and as a truck driver you'd better know from where that line was snatched!
You see, while I suggest that people ought to be freely responsible for their own behavior, you want to restrict that behavior for "the good of society." So, the next time we speak about social regulations remember that. Because when I want to regulate a person's actions for "the good of society" and you counter-claim that it restricts freedom, I will bring this up.
This is where you and virtually every authoritarian split off from me. You folks don't seem to be able to see that if you follow through to the end of your logic it establishes the worst kind of oppressive society you could imagine, all for the "good of society."
And that's the charge leveled by your ilk at "Liberals" and Leftists."
Mysterymeat, you and okie don't understand that "Liberals" are not "Leftists" in any true sense. Frankly, Liberals detest Leftists because of the latter's rigid, doctrinaire philosophy and methods. Liberals fought hard, long, bitter and sometimes violent battles with organized Leftists all through the 1920-1940s in the trade unions, and they knew first-hand what Leftists were capable of doing if chance presented them with power and control. And Okie's blurring the line between the two is either the representation of a weak, uncultured mind or the successful result of brain washing... or a bit of both.
In fact, the greatest arguments against Leftists was from their own ranks, from those who moved away from theoretical rigidity and opened their eyes to what was happening, e.g., it was Max Schactman (Trotsky's friend and English translator) who called out that the Bolshevism of Russia and Communism of China under Mao were far worse than the capitalism of the West for the workers. So guess what? Schactman actually supported the war in Viet Nam because the workers would have been better off under capitalism than Vietnamese Communism
That is the "liberalism" of a John Kennedy or Bobbie Kennedy, or Scoop Jackson; strong on workers rights and strongly opposed to political systems where workers rights were abused.
btw, the whole neo-con movement has its roots in Schachtman and his own "Third Way' Movement circa 1945-55, where believe it or not, those arch conservatives Jeanne Kirkpatrick and Irving Kristol were Schactman protégés.
on Schactman and neo-cons
http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/thinking_about_neoconservatism.htm
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/leftwing.htm
And here is the main point, many "Leftists," like Schactman DID change their view after the rise of Stalin and Mao and admitted that the Communism practiced by the Russian Soviets and Chinese were far worse than Western style democracies for workers. Schactman's term was often quoted; "Communism in Russia and the Third World is not simply "deformed workers' states" (Trotsky's formulation) but
"bureaucratic collectivism" or "state capitalism," the forced accumulation of capital for industrialization by a bureaucratic class."
He saw no different affect on the worker under the "bureaucratic collectivism" or "state capitalism," of Communism than the affect of the workers under Capitalism in Western-style Liberal Democracies, EXCEPT that in the latter cases, structures, viz., the "ballot box" were in place to change the condtions of the working class.
btw I am considered a Schactmanite by the hard Leftists I know.
and now you know why I, a real dyed in wool, old pot smoking, pro-gay marriage Liberal fu*king hates the Red Chinese government.
and make no mistake, those towel-headed Mid-Eastern Muslims who wipe their asses with their bare hands aren't the real problem for America, its the 1.5 billion gabbering Red Chinese Communists who are.
