Why Don't Christians ever present any evidence?

How about you all quit trying to prove god, so we won have these meaningless criteria debates.

Now, prove that the earth is 4000 years old.

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prove to me with 97% accuracy that the claims in the bible did in fact happen, and then you will have began to prove that God exists.

It doesn't go the other way. You can't prove God under some false pretenses and then demand the rest to be accepted.

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eoe wrote:

How about faith? That's what it's all about. Faith. A belief that all of us simply don't share. Will the day ever come when that's okay? My guess is never.

Faith cannot be proven or dissected and true faith cannot be shaken or stirred.

Again...there is no proof. Only faith.

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EOE: But there is no need for faith, it is an elective use of energy. The problem is when people attempt to insert faih in areas where it does not belong; area that require no faith what so ever.

Faith can hinder function, only serves to slow huan progress in this fashion.

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I'd say people put a far to high premium on faith when they would find all the comfort they need in hope instead.

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Call it what you will. Faith, good karma, positive vibes, the right energy, whatever works for you.

But I'd rather have faith and feel in my heart that "things will get better" than just hope for it. Faith gives one strength. An added ooomph.

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Faith is self-deception. What ever happened to "the truth shall set you free"?

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Who's truth?

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whoever

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Do you accept "whoever's" truth?

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eoe,
Obviously, anyone can say that anything is "true". The difficulty lies in defending the claim. Any such defense that does not use reason and logic (as with "faith") is completely worthless. Lots of people claim to have found truth through faith, but there's absolutely no reason why anyone should take them seriously.

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You are all welcome to discharge your slings and arrows in this thread:

http://able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=97061

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echi wrote:

Faith is self-deception. What ever happened to "the truth shall set you free"?

Actually, the verse you have (perhaps unwittingly) quoted is John, Chapter 8, Verse 32: (in the King James Version)

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

--which happens to form part of a call for faith in "the Son" (meaning the "Son" of "God"), and far from being a statement against faith as self-deception, recommends faith. I suggest you read the gospel of John, Chapter 8, so as to understand the context of that verse. It never hurts to understand how those with whom you disagree think.

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And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

It's kind of disenchanting. The proverbial use of the statement: "The truth will set you free" as a reference to the burden of the secrets and lies is much more profound.

I guess in the Christian sense, they won't see the difference. But for me, now knowing the original use of the phrase, I'm dissapointed. Burdened by secrets? Lies? What to be free of that? For get the people it's hurting, accept jesus and be free of the burden!

Act now, operators are standing by.

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Setanta wrote:

echi wrote:
Faith is self-deception. What ever happened to "the truth shall set you free"?

Actually, the verse you have (perhaps unwittingly) quoted is John, Chapter 8, Verse 32: (in the King James Version)

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

--which happens to form part of a call for faith in "the Son" (meaning the "Son" of "God"), and far from being a statement against faith as self-deception, recommends faith. I suggest you read the gospel of John, Chapter 8, so as to understand the context of that verse. It never hurts to understand how those with whom you disagree think.

Really!

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Thanks, Setanta. I see what you mean about the standard, Christian interpretation of that verse. It has been a while since I read it in context.
Still, when I look at it I find it easy to see a completely different message. So it goes with such things, I guess.

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In fact, Echi, this goes to the very heart of the "faith" controversy. The ambiguous nature of scripture is such that it is easily interpreted in a variety of ways, even when it is not take out of context. With such a feeble and questionable basis as canonical scripture, organized religion becomes a shell game of meanings and interpretations, and a Vanity Fair of competing religious brands.

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Setanta wrote:

In fact, Echi, this goes to the very heart of the "faith" controversy. The ambiguous nature of scripture is such that it is easily interpreted in a variety of ways, even when it is not take out of context. With such a feeble and questionable basis as canonical scripture, organized religion becomes a shell game of meanings and interpretations, and a Vanity Fair of competing religious brands.

What you refer to as ambiguity is a reason for further study or a reason for license.

I suggest it may not be wise to assume license.

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What lack of wisdom are you refering to?

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I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that the bible's biggest flaw (the ambiguous nature) is also in many way's Christianity's biggest strength. The flexibility of the bible and it's teachings has obviously led to the multitude of Chrisitan religions today, and increased the flock of sheep (that bible calls you people that, not me) tremendously. If this group thinks gays are bad, then find another that says gays are good, and so on, and so on.

It is however very disingenious to make the claim that the bible is some perfect tool to gauge your life on, or to find moral guidence in. That is simply not true.

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