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US intelligence: Al Qaeda a phantom organization?

 
 
Zippo
 
Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 03:42 pm
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Officials: Group tying self to blasts may not be real

By Bryan Bender
and Farah Stockman, Globe Staff | March 13, 2004


WASHINGTON -- A group purporting to be part of Al Qaeda that claimed responsibility for the Madrid train bombings and warned of a looming attack on the United States seems to be a phantom organization, according to US intelligence officials and terrorism specialists.

In a 24-hour news cycle dominated by fears of terrorism, the latest e-mail from the Abu Hafs al Masri Brigade to a London-based Arabic newspaper sowed anxiety and drew instant headlines all over the world.

But specialists say there is no evidence the organization exists. E-mail messages purporting to be written by the group previously claimed responsibility for everything from the North American blackout to a suicide attack that killed 20 Italian policemen in Iraq. But none of those claims has proved true, intelligence specialists say.

The latest message warned that an attack against the United States is "90 percent ready."

Employees at the Al-Quds Al-Arabi newspaper in London, which has received several letters in recent months purporting to be from the group, say they are not sure what the group is.

Deciphering the group -- which first surfaced in July 2003 -- illustrates a larger challenge for counterterrorism officials: assessing the murky world of purported Al Qaeda splinter groups that have been responsible for a dramatic increase in highly sophisticated terrorist bombings around the world.

Spanish officials said yesterday they had no concrete evidence of Al Qaeda involvement in the Thursday attacks, and continued to identify ETA -- a Basque separatist group -- as one suspect.

But the worldwide attention generated by the Abu Hafs al Masri e-mail, received hours after the attacks occurred, demonstrated how easily threats purported to be from Al Qaeda can be spread. Terrorism analysts say such claims form part of the tactics of psychological warfare and propaganda, designed to capitalize on actual violence and deepen public fear of more attacks.

"It goes to the more virtual nature of Al Qaeda," said Peter Bergen, a terrorism specialist at the New America Foundation in Washington. "Some are real; some are waging psychological warfare."

A US official who has access to the latest intelligence information said the brigade's name is the nom de guerre of a senior bin Laden lieutenant who was killed by American forces in an airstrike in Afghanistan in November 2001.

"The name they picked out is what is sometimes confusing. Their ties to Al Qaeda are not as clear-cut," said the official, who asked that his name not be used. He added that US intelligence officials do not know whether the group exists.

Another US intelligence official said, "This group, organization, or whatever it is, is a phantom."

Ben Venzke, CEO of IntelCenter, a private company that specializes in analyzing terrorist messages for government agencies, said that while he believes Al Qaeda could have been responsible for the Madrid bombings, messages from the purported brigade are not credible.

Continued... boston.com


Remember this : U.S. had agents inside al-Qaeda (USA Today)
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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 04:43 am
some of us outside the US, and, it seems, some inside that country, don't buy all this "Al-Q" hokum dreamed up by Bush's junta.
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reverend hellh0und
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 07:29 am
contrex wrote:
some of us outside the US, and, it seems, some inside that country, don't buy all this "Al-Q" hokum dreamed up by Bush's junta.




Yes close your eyes while the Islamic pro al qaieda youth torch your streets... Laughing
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 07:31 am
"Islamic pro al qaieda youth"... they're everywhere. Be afraid.
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reverend hellh0und
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 07:33 am
FreeDuck wrote:
"Islamic pro al qaieda youth"... they're everywhere. Be afraid.



Nope, Nothing to see here..... Move along..... Rolling Eyes
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 07:52 am
Oh, I forgot that we live in France! And apparently it wasn't known to the French that their youth were rioting because they were "pro Al-Q" and because they were muslim. I think there's a thread around here that you need to read. Off to find it.
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reverend hellh0und
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 07:57 am
FreeDuck wrote:
Oh, I forgot that we live in France! And apparently it wasn't known to the French that their youth were rioting because they were "pro Al-Q" and because they were muslim. I think there's a thread around here that you need to read. Off to find it.




Look back. Who was the Good Reverend talking to and where do they seem to claim to be from?


NEver said that was WHY they were rioting just implying that they were sympathetic and were anti-western.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 08:05 am
How do you know they were "pro Al-Q"? How were they "anti-western"? And if someone from France isn't afraid, why should we be?
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reverend hellh0und
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 08:11 am
FreeDuck wrote:
How do you know they were "pro Al-Q"? How were they "anti-western"? And if someone from France isn't afraid, why should we be?




"The French government has deliberately downplayed, even denied, any connection between nationwide riots and torching of automobiles, schools, and even churches and the jihadi phenomenon. Jean-Louis Debre, speaker of the National Assembly and mayor of Evreux, called the unrest "a true episode of urban guerrilla" warfare.link
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 08:19 am
That's a highly reliable source you are quoting from there. Much more reliable than the French government.
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reverend hellh0und
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 08:26 am
FreeDuck wrote:
That's a highly reliable source you are quoting from there. Much more reliable than the French government.




The French Government NEVER lies.... Only the US Gov. does right?



Who rioted?


Why?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 08:39 am
If you still have that question, there are some threads here that you might want to read. Or you could ask contrex.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 08:41 am
Here ya go Rev. HH.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2422780&highlight=riots+france+muslim#2422780
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reverend hellh0und
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 09:22 am





Summarize. What do you think that shows?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 09:36 am
A healthy debate and ample evidence that the riots were more about poverty and civil unrest than any overt "Islamic" agenda. Your turn.
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Zippo
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 09:39 am
Good Rev,

The French Muslims face discrimination, Islamophobia...what do you expect?

Thanks to Bush's inside job?

Quote:
Anti-Muslim bias 'spreads' in EU

Attitudes towards Muslims 'have worsened' since 11 September

Muslims in Europe have faced increased discrimination since the 11 September attacks, according to a new report...

bbc


Check out the LIST of riots which doesn't involve Muslims.
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reverend hellh0und
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 09:39 am
FreeDuck wrote:
A healthy debate and ample evidence that the riots were more about poverty and civil unrest than any overt "Islamic" agenda. Your turn.




Oh I agree with that assesment. However I think France and the media downplayed the influence that extreme Islam had on these riots.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 09:40 am
And it all goes down from here...

Reverend, perhaps we can take any further discussion of the riots in France to the thread I linked to, and leave this one to discussion of whether or not AQ really is a phantom organization.
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reverend hellh0und
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 10:40 am
FreeDuck wrote:
And it all goes down from here...

Reverend, perhaps we can take any further discussion of the riots in France to the thread I linked to, and leave this one to discussion of whether or not AQ really is a phantom organization.



That is not a bad idea.


I don't want to give terrorist apologist and conspiracy nuts like that guy with the Bush clown face any more fodder for his blame America first nincompoopery.... Laughing
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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 01:36 pm
What does my location have to do with anything? I am an Englishman living in France working for the Marseille branch office of a Japanese shipping company. My wife comes from Colorado if that makes any difference. Akthough she is now a naturalised UK citizen. (She said it was the proudest moment of her life)
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