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Shock, Horror, But No Awe at Guantanamo Bay

 
 
cobalt
 
Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 01:44 am
I just found this story on a web design site I was visiting - with a newsticker and this Guardian (UK) story:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1000273,00.html

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The bitterest betrayal

Among the 680 men imprisoned at Camp Delta, Cuba, are nine Britons. The US says they are hardcore terrorists, and holds them without charge. But where is the evidence? And why is our government so silent on their plight? By Tania Branigan and Vikram Dodd

Saturday July 19, 2003
The Guardian


The worst of it - the most chiling - is at the end of the story to hear from another country's media that CHILDREN are now being held there, at a new "Camp Iguana"! The details in this story must be outted to all Americans - I would wonder how long it would be before our own US media would start reporting this story!


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Guantanamo's newest and most notorious addition is Camp Iguana, which holds children whom the US regards as enemy combatants. It is less formidable than the adult version: the wire fence is just 12ft high and the all-night floodlights are softer. A 20ft long rectangle has been cut from the green canvas surrounding the camp, so that the children can see the Caribbean sea. "It adds a certain tranquillity to the environment," says Dave Wodushek, who runs Camp Iguana. He is saddened that people so young are held here: the four children, believed to be Afghans, are as young as 13. He blames those countries which use children as soldiers.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 01:47 am
For the life of me I can't fathom why this admin wants to try thr Brits in a US military court. Why not repatriate them and let the British deal with them. It's not like repatriating them to Afghanistan where their odds of going unpunished are great.
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cobalt
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 10:44 am
Perhaps this story coming as such often do, over the weekend, is going to be buried beneath other stories of more draw? Like the elderly man that killed those many people in the market and the story of Dr. Kelly, the WMD expert? Didn't see any US media stories thus far, and yet this Guantanamo Bay story came out last night.....
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 10:53 am
Wekk, in the same issue of The Guardian" (and reported by other media as well*):
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Legal proceedings against the two Britons facing a military trial in Guantanamo Bay were suspended last night to allow talks between British and US legal officials.
Bush aids Blair by halting trial of Britons in Guantanamo Bay

* the trial against some Aussies will be stopped, too, when I remember correctly
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 10:57 am
cobalt, Saw the Dr Kelly article in today's San Jose Mercury News, but it was "buried" on page 3. Something fishy going on; it smells awful. c.i.
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cobalt
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 03:02 pm
Still nothing in the US media! Dr. Kelly is looking like the "shiny object" to me. Ignore everything else: just pay attention to this pendulating shiny object. You are getting sleepy. Sleepy....
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 03:38 pm
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........
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cobalt
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2003 07:45 am
Monday it is and no mention yet of this article of the Guardian in any US media! I just did a thorough check using Newsisfree, the RSS news aggregator and it is not there. c.i. - you comment is sadly true. Wonder when the "timing" will be right to ok the release of this story in the US...
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cobalt
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2003 11:03 am
Some key portions of the text:

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>"There are nine Britons and two British residents among the 680 detainees at Guantanamo: more than from any other western country. The youngest of the Britons are 20; the eldest 36. Two of the men, Moazzam Begg and Feroz Abbasi, a 23-year-old former computer studies student from Croydon, are among the first six detainees selected to face trial before a military tribunal. In the system devised by the Americans, military officers are judge and jury, with defence counsel handpicked by Washington. Conversations between lawyer and client are monitored by the military. The accused could face the death penalty. The US says they are either terrorists or linked to terrorism, although it will not elaborate on its suspicions, let alone the charges. Critics argue that the courts are loaded to ensure convictions. In the unlikely event of acquittal, the prisoners could still be detained indefinitely."
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"The planned trials have provoked outrage around the world, not just from human rights groups such as Amnesty International and Fair Trials Abroad, but from usually steadfast supporters of America such as the former Tory ministers Douglas Hogg and Nicholas Soames. More than 200 MPs signed a Commons motion last week calling for the men to be given a fair trial. The mounting pressure has forced the government at least to be seen to be making serious efforts to have the Britons sent home to face any trial. This in turn has provoked scepticism, not least because of the unlikelihood of securing a conviction. The evidence the Americans have against Begg and Abbasi is probably too flimsy and circumstantial to satisfy a British criminal court, even if an appropriate charge could be decided upon."
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"Guantanamo's newest and most notorious addition is Camp Iguana, which holds children whom the US regards as enemy combatants. It is less formidable than the adult version: the wire fence is just 12ft high and the all-night floodlights are softer. A 20ft long rectangle has been cut from the green canvas surrounding the camp, so that the children can see the Caribbean sea. "It adds a certain tranquillity to the environment," says Dave Wodushek, who runs Camp Iguana. He is saddened that people so young are held here: the four children, believed to be Afghans, are as young as 13. He blames those countries which use children as soldiers."


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"General Miller blames the suicide attempts on factors such as pre-existing mental illness, rather than the stress of incarceration. But the Red Cross, which is allowed access to inmates, is uncharacteristically forthright about the regime's effects: "The uncertainty these internees face as regards their legal status and their future does have a very adverse impact on their physical and mental wellbeing," says spokeswoman Antonella Notari. "A lot of them are pushed to despair. It is a clear indication that these people are under extreme stress and anxiety."
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2003 11:33 am
An article similar to this appeared in the NY Times several weeks ago. It noted that the camp was not only "stressful" for the inmates but was having a similar depressing affect on the soldiers who ran it. This is a concentration camp that any reader of Solzhenitsyn would recognize in a flash. What is troubling beyond its existence and the conditions and behaviors found there is that it is creating the legal foundation for other that may and probably will not be limited to non US citizens.
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cobalt
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2003 11:42 am
Yes Acquiunk, you've hit on one of the horrors I react to. If a story such as this one, in it's entirety and not just in selected portions, is "lost" among US media sources, then it prevents the US citizens knowledge and ability to counter all the many 2 x 4 hammer blows to our own freedoms, rights, and responsibilities to all people.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2003 12:08 pm
This administration has changed the whole fabric of decency not only for Americans, but for our allies and the world. What is frightening about all this is the brain dead Americans who do not care or respond to this tragedy. c.i.
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cobalt
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2003 01:58 pm
Yes - the "brain dead Americans" include all who accept the media coverage and the administration spin without questioning or even thinking to look at a variety of sources to see what is the propaganda and what is the - er - "truth". In a way, your term of the "brain dead Americans" is so very descriptive of the majority of citizens - they are tired, apathetic, and acquiescent to things not seeming possible to alter.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2003 03:28 pm
The NY Times article on Guantanamo was in the Sunday June 29, 2003 issue of the Sunday Times magazine
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cobalt
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2003 03:44 pm
...but it did not include the update information in the Guardian Special Report from Friday this last week

Thanks for looking up a recent reference to Guantanamo Bay. At least it was mentionned at that time in US media, but not since and not with the details about Camp Iguano. That's the part that just gets to me - children there! Had no idea until I read the Guardian in the wee hours Friday night. And still would not know if I had not come across that site.
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CodeBorg
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2003 04:07 pm
Politicians tend to find where the crowd is going, and get in front of it, regardless of what the crowd actually represents.

If Bush makes effective use of "brain dead Americans" it's only because so many of them exist.

Rather than complain about this administration, same as any administration, what can we do to wake up the People?



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It's good to be back.
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Vivien
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2003 04:18 pm
Acquiunk wrote:
An article similar to this appeared in the NY Times several weeks ago. It noted that the camp was not only "stressful" for the inmates but was having a similar depressing affect on the soldiers who ran it. This is a concentration camp that any reader of Solzhenitsyn would recognize in a flash. What is troubling beyond its existence and the conditions and behaviors found there is that it is creating the legal foundation for other that may and probably will not be limited to non US citizens.


mmm and will encourage and enhance the resentment and hatred of its inahabitants and their families and friends, reinforcing the political views they orignally had.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2003 04:57 pm
Cobalt

The Times article discussed the children and noted that they were more interested in games than politics. If I remember right there were 8 of them, young teenagers, housed in a special building. Why they are there is anyone guess.
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cobalt
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2003 07:19 pm
Yes indeed, CodeBorg - what can be done to wake up people?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2003 08:24 am
They should have just shot them on the battlefield and been done with it.
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