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Bush approval rating down to 24%

 
 
Zippo
 
Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 09:41 am
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Bush passes the buck on Iraq

By HELEN THOMAS
HEARST NEWSPAPERS


WASHINGTON -- President Bush still has to learn "the buck stops here" when it comes to presidential decisions.

The "decider" and commander in chief seems to be trying to pass the buck, particularly if the war in Iraq implodes and he has to bring troops home from his disastrous invasion of Iraq.

The president is counting on Gen. David Petraeus -- the top military commander in Iraq -- and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to take the fall if his troop "surge" fails.

Bush is a long way from that mirage even with an expected Pentagon buildup of U.S. troops to 160,000 by midsummer.

Bush's war of choice -- now in its fifth year -- has taken 3,368 American lives and wounded thousands more Americans.

The death toll for the Iraqi people is reportedly in the hundreds of thousands, although the Iraqi Health Ministry says it will no longer disclose the casualty figures.

Bush had a 25-minute telephone call with al-Maliki earlier this week after feeling the domestic political pressure following his veto of war funding legislation that called for U.S. troops to withdraw, starting Oct. 1.

Vice President Dick Cheney followed up with a personal visit with al-Maliki in Baghdad, where he told the Iraqi that the U.S. has a dim view of the Iraqi parliament's plan to take a two-month vacation this summer.

Both Bush and Congress have laid down the law to the beleaguered al-Maliki with this message: If his government doesn't pass an oil law divvying up Iraq's vast oil reserves among the three ethnic-religious groups and if he fails to reconcile the various Iraqi factions, the U.S. just might just pack up and leave.

This is the same Bush administration trying to throw its weight around after destroying Iraq and destabilizing the entire Middle East. But al-Maliki will be there to catch the blame.

Last week in a speech to the Associated General Contractors of America, Bush put the burden on Petraeus and quoted the commander as saying that "it's going to be at least until the end of this summer that he will know whether or not the new strategy (of escalating the troops by thousands) has achieved successes."

But White House spokesman Tony Snow rejected any suggestion that Petraeus' comments pointed to September as a deadline. The president was not accepting any troop withdrawal date, Snow insisted.

More ominous is a report Wednesday by Washington Post columnist David Ignatius that an unnamed Saudi source said Bush told the Saudis that he will not withdraw from Iraq during his presidency.

If true, that's more in line with speculation that Bush wants to run out the clock and pass the war on to his successor at the White House.

However, it's not far-fetched to believe that Republicans will wake up and see their re-election chances flame out if Bush continues the war until 2008.

The latest CBS-New York Times poll said the president has dropped to 24 percent in his approval ratings on his handling of the war. President Nixon's Watergate scandal-plagued polls fell to 23 percent when he was forced to resign from office.

But the same CBS-TV poll said 56 percent of those sampled believe that congressional Democrats should fund the war -- despite a presidential veto of a bill that included a withdrawal timetable.

The White House has translated any effort to withhold war funding as a signal that Congress is failing to support the troops, tying the hands of the generals and acquiescing to "surrender."

In his remarks to the contractors, the president blamed al-Qaida -- the terrorist network -- for ratcheting up the sectarian violence in Baghdad between the Shiites and the Sunnis and the high-profile suicide bombings.

"The most visible and violent front of this global war is Iraq," Bush said. "It's a tough fight ... . Illegal armed groups continue their attacks, insurgents remain deadly" and have to be dealt with.

"Al-Qaida is public enemy No. 1 in Iraq," Bush declared. "It's in our interest to stay in the fight."

Soon after the war started and all the false rationales justifying the invasion were falling like 10 pins, Ari Fleischer, Bush's first press secretary, stepped up to the podium in the White House pressroom and picked the battleground, declaring: "Iraq is the central front in the war on terrorism." And al-Qaida took him at his word.

The mantra for Bush's new strategy in the war is called "the way forward." But if Americans have any say, it should be "the way out."

seattlepi


How low does it have to get before we are given the go ahead to use tar and feather ?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 09:47 am
here comes the brown nose brigade to tell about how this worthless poll from a worthless source with worthless methods is worthless.. Laughing
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 10:12 am
"NEW YORK After a surge of support earlier in the year after the Democrats took control, public approval of the job Congress is doing has slid again, and now stands even lower than President Bush's weak 33%.

A Gallup poll released today pegged the approval rating for Congress at 29%. This is down from last month's 33% and well below the year's high of 37%.

Of course, more Democrats than Republican give a thumb's up but even there only 37% of Democrats approve of the job Congress is doing right now. That's down 6% since last month.

This may reflect some unhappiness with the Democrats' inability to take strong action against the Iraq war.

Meanwhile, Republicans' approval of Congress has gradually declined, from a high of 37% in mid-January to 25% in the latest poll. "

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003585195

Good to see the poll results are bi-partisen. So much for the efforts of the "NEW" Democratic Congress.

Fire them all!!!!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 10:27 am
Zippo's story disingenuously characterizes the results of the CBS/New York Times poll--Bush's approval rating of 24% refers to his handling of the war--his overall approval rating in that poll was 31%.

That being said, i'd be interested to know where Woiyo came up with his figures. The CBS/New York Times Poll asked:

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Currently, President Bush and Congress disagree about what to do about U.S. troop levels in Iraq. Who do you think should have the final say about troop levels in Iraq, the President or Congress?


Those who responded that Congress should have the final say were 57% of those responding to this poll. It appears that Woiyo's source may have been reporting an overall approval rating; even then, the approval rating of Congress is higher than that of the President.

Zippo's quoted source wrote:

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The latest CBS-New York Times poll said the president has dropped to 24 percent in his approval ratings on his handling of the war. President Nixon's Watergate scandal-plagued polls fell to 23 percent when he was forced to resign from office.


That constitutes willful distortion. Nixon's 23% approval rating was an overall approval rating, while the 24% quoted for Bush refers only to his handling of the war. Bush's overall approval rating in that poll was 31%.

The results of the CBS/New York Times poll can be read in this CBS News PDF document.

It would appear that in politics as in war, the first casualty is the truth.
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Zippo
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 10:42 am
Setanta, Can you find a source for Nixon's 23% 'overall' approval rating ?

Also what was Nixon's approval rating for his handling of the war?

My thread title does not say 'Bush's overall approval rating'...does it? Razz
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 10:44 am
Zippo wrote:
Setanta, Can you find a source for Nixon's 23% 'overall' approval rating ?

Also what was Nixon's approval rating for his handling of the war?

My thread title does not say 'Bush's overall approval rating'...does it? Razz


Don't stick your hand in the lion cage, would be my advice

Cycloptichorn
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 10:44 am
Woiyo's source has selectively reported the story just as Zippo's source did. It is noteworthy that Gallup's article on the Congressional approval poll makes the following observation:

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Although ratings are quite low, Americans have been more positive in their assessments of Congress this year than last year, when an average of just 25% approved of Congress.


Only 29% of respondents may approve of the Democratic Congress, but that's better than the 25% who approved of the Republican Congress a year ago.

You can read the Gallup article here.

It always helps, if possible, to go directly to the horse's mouth, instead of relying upon the horse's ass at some internet site with an agenda.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 10:47 am
Suffice it to say that Bush's popularity is pretty much at the same level as Nixon's was at his lowest point.

And now there are growing rumbles about impeachment.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 10:51 am
can we just agree that bush is an ass hole and move on from there? :wink:
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 10:53 am
Zippo wrote:
Setanta, Can you find a source for Nixon's 23% 'overall' approval rating ?

Also what was Nixon's approval rating for his handling of the war?


Perhaps you should ask your source, since you relied upon a journalist, rather than doing the simple task of looking for the CBS poll yourself. After all, you apparently prefer this writer's slant on the topic.

Nixon actually had a rather high approval rating on his handling of the war by 1974 when he resigned, since he had withdrawn American troops from combat in 1973, and was seen as successfully negotiating with the Vietnamese through Kissinger at the Paris conference.

According to CBS News, comparing Bush to other Presidents, Nixon had a 51% overall approval rating in January, 1973 (when he was "winding down" the war), which dropped to 24% just before his resignation in August, 1974. (Both of those poll reports were overall ratings, and were citation of Gallup polls.) You can do these sorts of searches yourself, i suspect, because you are sure good at finding sources to prop up your biased point of view.

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My thread title does not say 'Bush's overall approval rating'...does it?


No, but it also doesn't point out that this was his approval rating for handling the war as compared to an overall approval rating--just as the article does not point out that they are comparing Bush's approval rating for handling the war to Nixon's overall approval rating.

That's how distortion works, Bubba--what you don't say is just as important as what you do say.
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Zippo
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 10:56 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
can we just agree that bush is an **** and move on from there? :wink:


Congrats! What you've said in one line, these polls have been trying from credible sources with essays. Smile
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 10:57 am
Setanta wrote:

It always helps, if possible, to go directly to the horse's mouth, instead of relying upon the horse's ass at some internet site with an agenda.


I sometimes react badly to Setanta's rather acid style. This one however made my morning. Laughing Laughing
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 10:59 am
Zippo wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
can we just agree that bush is an **** and move on from there? :wink:


Congrats! What you've said in one line, these polls have been trying from credible sources with essays. Smile


My lack of education hasn't hurt me none, I can read the writing on the wall....
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Zippo
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 11:05 am
Setanta wrote:

That's how distortion works, Bubba--what you don't say is just as important as what you do say.


Laughing You are smart!

Does Bush/Admin use this same logic to distort the truth?

(Oh, thanks for Post: 2658574)
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2007 11:19 am
"GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

PRINCETON, NJ -- A new Gallup Poll finds continued low levels of public support for both Congress and President George W. Bush. Twenty-nine percent of Americans approve of Congress, down slightly from last month's reading (33%) and this year's high point of 37%, while Bush's approval rating is holding steady at 33%. Both the ratings of Congress and the president are slightly lower than their respective 2007 averages. Approval ratings of Congress are higher among Democrats than Republicans, while Bush's ratings are much higher among Republicans.

Congressional Job Approval

According to the May 10-13, 2007, Gallup Poll, 29% of Americans approve and 64% disapprove of the way Congress is handling its job. Congressional approval is down 4 percentage points since last month, and is 3 points lower than the 32% average measured during the first five months of the year. The high point for the congressional approval rating so far this year was the 37% approval measured in February. Although ratings are quite low, Americans have been more positive in their assessments of Congress this year than last year, when an average of just 25% approved of Congress. "

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27589

Feel better Set?

Both branches should be fired.
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