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missing WMD expert is found dead!

 
 
cobalt
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2003 08:08 pm
For those still interested in Dr. Kelly's death, this just in from a blogger friend of mine:

Sunday, August 03, 2003

Four electrode pads found on David Kelly's chest
Heart experts today said it was "unusual" for someone to wear electrode pads while walking following revelations that government scientist David Kelly had four of the special monitors on his chest when his body was found in an Oxfordshire wood. Dr Kelly had probably been wearing a 24-hour electro-cardiogram recorder, also known as a Holter monitor, medical experts said. But it was odd that the pads that are connected to the device had not been removed by doctors and were left attached to his chest, they said.

"If I was in a morgue and his body was presented to me I would have thought it had come out of a coronary care unit or an operating theatre," said Professor Konrad Jamrozik, of Imperial College Hospital London.

"It would be unusual for someone to be walking around wearing these pads," he told the press association.

Another heart specialist, who declined to be named, also said it was "very unusual" for someone to be found wearing the pads.

"It would suggest that at some time he had been connected to a heart monitor in a hospital or, and this is more likely, he had been connected to a 24-hour ECG recorder."
+ posted by: New World Disorder :
http://www.newworlddisorder.ca/blog/
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 3 Aug, 2003 08:12 pm
curious
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2003 01:42 pm
Well, I've been eight days in Britain ... only the weather is more the headlines in any paper!
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Piffka
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2003 02:29 pm
Welcome Back, Walter! Hope you enjoyed your visit, guess you'd have suffered through hot weather in Germany, too.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2003 02:42 pm
Thanks, Piffka! Yes, we enjoyed and the German-all-time-weather-record was broken today: 40.6°C = 105°F
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Piffka
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2003 05:14 pm
<eyes popping>

Gee willikers, Walter, THAT's HOT! I can hardly believe it. Are people saying it is from global warming?

I hope this European heat wave has drastically cooled off when we get to Britain.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2003 02:11 am
Piffka

Britain was waiting for their 100° F (an aside: since 10 years, Celsius should be used in Britain as well. But some commenators pointed out: plus degrees seem 'hotter' in Celsius, whilst minus is 'colder' in Celsius).

Well, some newspaper articles suggested that the US joining the Kyoto treaty could minimize temperatures drastically ....
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 06:11 am
The Hutton inquiry begins today. Some reactions from today's British papers (by 'The Wrap', which isn't free since a couple of days, so I copy and paste it here).

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The Telegraph pictures a grinning Tony Blair taking a dip in the sea off Barbados - where, the paper points out, the temperature was a "cool" 84F. (There is much tabloid comment on the PM's beachwear - "a tight-fitting pair of shorts and vest".)

"Today, though, the reckoning is approaching," warns Simon Heffer in the Mail. "Lord Hutton, appointed to inquire into the suicide of Dr David Kelly, starts to take evidence this morning. We'll soon know what role Downing Street and the Ministry of Defence had in precipitating the death of the weapons expert." Heffer himself is in little doubt: "He will probably survive... [but] he is permanently damaged."

Indeed, says the Guardian, "the mood in Whitehall has darkened" as No 10 realises that the BBC has "won the propaganda battle" already - despite the best efforts of the Sun.

"If anyone should be worried, it's the BBC," says the paper, which has drawn up 10 "vital questions" the Hutton inquiry must answer. "Why did the BBC reject repeated attempts by No 10 to put the story right? ... Why did the BBC not apologise to his family for not confirming he was their main source when he was still alive and able to defend himself?" (And denying it, the paper doesn't say). And so on.

The Guardian calls it "one of the most explosive scandals since the Profumo affair". The BBC says it does have evidence that Dr Kelly criticised the dossier on Iraq's WMDs, and that he was "far from alone".

The FT picks up yesterday's Sunday Telegraph report claiming that the MoD's permanent secretary described Dr Kelly as "eccentric" and said the department had deliberately "outed" him. Proof of Dr Kelly's unreliability? Or further evidence of a Downing Street smear campaign? Depends which paper you believe.

"Poor David Kelly would have discovered the meaning of professional loneliness," John Keegan writes in the Telegraph. "I doubt strongly that it was his treatment by parliament or the media that drove him over the edge ... Old colleagues would have kept their distance. Rooms would have fallen silent when he entered."


And what happened until now?

Tribute to 'remarkable' Kelly
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 12:08 pm
Report I saw today, I think it was on the BBC website or possibly MSN, said that the cardio pads found on Dr Kelly's body were put there by the paramedic team who tried to find some activity in his heart, but failed.

(added later) But, The Independent contradicted that today, sorry, gave a different explanation today, in an extensive report, and so I do not believe the pads were placed by paramedics intent on resuscitation.
The inquiry will have to take evidence from Dr Kelly's physician about that.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 19 Aug, 2003 02:19 am
Today's British papers, as supplied by "The Wrap" on the 'Hutton inquiry':
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POWELL HAD DOUBTS ABOUT THREAT POSED BY SADDAM

Of all the evidence presented to the Hutton inquiry yesterday, most of the papers single out No 10 chief of staff Jonathan Powell's email of September 17 as the most important. The Mirror's two-inch headline states simply "No threat", and its deputy political editors, Oonagh Blackman, writes: "Tony Blair's chief aide thought an early version of the Iraq dossier did not 'demonstrate a threat, let alone an imminent threat' from Saddam Hussein." Similarly, the Telegraph headlines: "No 10 chief's doubts on dossiers".

The Guardian points out the discrepancy between Alastair Campbell's view on the threat posed by Iraq's as yet undiscovered WMDs and that expressed by Mr Blair. It prints the two in bold across almost half its front page. "We will need to make it clear in launching the document that we do not claim that we have evidence that [Saddam] is an imminent threat," wrote Mr Powell. The following week, Mr Blair, launching the WMD dossier, claimed: "[Saddam] has existing and active military plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons, which could be activated within 45 minutes."

A number of the papers have picked up on today's Guardian/ICM poll, which should make grim reading for Mr Campbell as he prepares to head off for the Royal Courts of Justice. It found that half the electorate believes that the government's WMD dossier was "deliberately embellished to make a case for war".

The FT makes much of the revelations of how No 10 - and particularly the prime minister - was involved in the Ministry of Defence's attempt to rebut Andrew Gilligan's Today programme story. Its front page says: "Tony Blair was personally involved in deciding how the government should handle David Kelly... the prime minister told aides he thought the weapons inspector 'probably had' to appear in public before a parliamentary inquiry."

Predictably, it is the Sun which makes most of Sir David Manning's angry rebuttal of Mr Gilligan's charge. Mr Blair's foreign policy adviser is "a pillar of probity with a Rolls-Royce brain," according to its political editor Trevor Kavanagh, and he "spelt out precisely why Andrew Gilligan's claims about fiddling dossiers are tosh".

"The idea that MI6, MI5 and the Joint Intelligence Committee would collude to mislead parliament is purely for the conspiracy theorists," he concludes. Sun columnist Richard Littlejohn concurs that the case for war needed no enhancement. "There was no need for Alastair Campbell to start a full-scale big willy contest with the BBC," he writes.

Today's star witness is Mr Campbell himself. The Mail's Ross Benson describes what a poor witness he has made in the past, particularly when he appeared in a libel action brought by the former Tory MP and spy writer Rupert Allason. Then Mr Justice Drake said of Mr Blair's director of communications: "I did not find not find Mr Campbell by any means a wholly satisfactory or convincing witness." He will have to do better today.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Fri 22 Aug, 2003 09:45 am
Quote:
Iraq weapons expert David Kelly predicted his death six months ago, telling a British diplomat that if Baghdad were attacked he would be found "dead in the woods", the inquiry into his death was told today.


The original article, in the London Times, isn't accessible without a fee, but it was carried by the Sydney Morning Herald. Odd, isn't it?


Sydney Morning Herald Article
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2003 12:19 pm
Thousands of documents submitted to the Hutton inquiry into the death of government weapons expert Dr David Kelly have been published on the internet:
Hutton documents released
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2003 12:26 pm
Terrific, Walter. Lots of interesting stuff in the BBC report, but to me the most heart-wrenching was:

"It is not yet known whether or not Dr Kelly ever knew he was under investigation for leaking the secret document, nor whether he was told that he was cleared in the investigation, which closed nine days before he was found dead."
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2003 12:47 pm
In Australia yesterday, the government was accused of taking the country into war on the basis of false information and of misleading the nation.
Now it looks likely that the Hutton enquiry in London is coming round to the same kind of conclusion in respect of Tony Blair's government.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2003 01:23 pm
I was thinking, McTag, as I read the BBC piece how I wish we had even just one media group which would take on Bush the way the media (and the forces of governmental oversight) have taken on Blair...
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2003 01:52 pm
As Americans we are heir to a peculiarly triumphalist way of thinking that has been indoctrinated from early childhood. We have grown up equating being American with being right (recall the old saws, "My country right or wrong," "America, love it or leave it, etc...). The people who lead the media conglomerates understand that to question this basic assumption would lose them an audience,and therefore revenue. Some "news" outlets, most noticably FOX, have played into this desire by many Americans to not be shown any possibilities that our actions could be incorrect.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2003 02:19 pm
Yer just a kid, Hobit, I kin tell! I didn't grow up heir to that triumphalism -- and I bet the change was generated first by McCarthy and then anger over the loss in Vietnam.

In the wake of WWII, when I was a growing kid, we were strong internationalists, very aware of the "Allies" and our ties those with whom we fought that war, and the previous one. To be exclusively "patriotic" (chauvistic, jingoistic) was to misinterpret our position in the world. Most of us looked down on the jingos, some of whom (by the way)were virulent Christian preachers. The media then (Edward R. Murrow and the famous, often very distinquished overseas correspondents) were proudly internationalist too.

Here's a theory I have -- strictly a theory (see what you think): As the media became more powerful, more omnipresent, as TV came in, it created a division between those who had been educated in internationalism and those who'd been educated without it. The American "heartland" was introduced to a world outside of America, a large and complicated world of differing ideas and values and languages and landscapes and domestic habits. That world seemed odd -- unwelcoming, inimical -- to many. And when the anti-commie stuff began in earnest, it gave many people a place to hide from that scary, complicated world. Just label the scary world legitimately dangerous, and they knew how to deal with it. Just label America "the best, the winners, the triumphant," and we once again knew who we were. But when I was growing up, I missed all that and am now permanently alienated from a country which once showed its generous, understanding, moderate side to the rest of the world and which has become a dangerous, often ignorant, bully. The division is there now in spades: between Americans who value the rest of the planet no less than we value our own lives, and Americans who see the rest of the planet as a bunch of unknowns out to get us.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2003 02:34 pm
Tartarin wrote:
Yer just a kid, Hobit, I kin tell!

That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me yet on this forum! Very Happy

I have a unique perspective, I didn't set foot in the US until 1978. I did K-5th grade at Karachi American School, so I got to see the disconnect betwen the american textbooks and the world around me.
I think some of the triumphalism crept back in during the Reagan era. I certainly recall learning manifest destiny, et. al., as if it were "gospel truth" that the European colonists defeated the "crude savages," etc..., and brought them civilization. It wasn't until the obligatory US History to 1865 class my fresman year at the U. of Wyoming (Yes, there is a university in Wyoming, no, the students don't have to milk cows, yes, it has indoor plumbing. Smile ) that I leaned of the smallpox epidemics in the new world, the trail of tears, etc.... Even a hardheaded mostly conservative Colorado Gothling like me could tell that there was something odd with the standard narative I had been fed.
Even now, interacting with recent highschool grads has shown that the common narrative is still being taught. This is one of those times when I wish Red would turn up, she would have first hand knowledge of what HS kids are being taught.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2003 03:57 pm
Well, just from talking to kids around here, it's pretty clear why (say) Fox is so popular. It hews to the triumphalist line, straight out of the books. I used to know someone on the Texas textbook commission who banged her head against the wall at the backwardness of the history (and other) choices. But it's not just that we still cling to the idea that only nutcases talk about the spread of smallpox, etc. etc., but that we teach the kids to see history from that now-famous either/or standpoint. We're good; they're bad. Because the reverse is unthinkable. And because "a little of both" is a most unsatisfactory (unpatriotic) thought!
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CodeBorg
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2003 04:23 pm
An underlying force/trend that contributes to many symptoms/events.
I like your theory Tartarin. It fits quite a few things, interesting to consider.



PS -- Piffka mentioned the article in the Sydney Morning Herald Article
A slight variation of it was in the UK's Independent just one day before.
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The e-mail said Dr Kelly feared that in the event of an invasion it would have appeared that he had "betrayed his contacts, some of whom might be killed as a direct result of his actions."

The e-mail repeated Dr Kelly's statement that following on from this "he would probably be found dead in the woods".
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