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20 falsehoods about the Iraq war

 
 
Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2003 03:14 pm
From the New Zealand Herald
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3512516&thesection=news&thesubsection=world

If the foreign press can publish this kind of analysis why can't the American press?
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cobalt
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2003 03:26 pm
Silly Acquiunk! Razz
This type of story is all over the blogging world, AND in most non-American media sources. We "Americans" have now been learning a good lesson: to find out what our government is up to, DO NOT go to networks like CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc. Maybe try for the technorati current events site at http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/currentevents.html or maybe the Information Clearing House
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info
or even
Independent Media.org
http://www.indymedia.org/
or Truthout
http://www.truthout.org/index.htm or
PR Watch.org's Spin of the Day
http://www.prwatch.org/spin/index.html


(Just kidding you Acquiunk!)
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SkisOnFire
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2003 03:28 pm
Freedom of the press, that's why.

When people think and act for themselves, with information, freedom and independence, they cannot be effectively manipulated or used to advantage.

Think about what a "government" does.

Also, which government is the largest in the world.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2003 03:57 pm
Because they didn't go.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2003 04:10 pm
It seems the "shock and awe" is what our soldiers are now experiencing in Iraq - after the war was declared over. c.i.
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NeoGuin
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2003 07:37 pm
A media that isn't in the hands of ten large corporations.

BTW: This article was up on "The Next War" at about 9AM!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2003 10:11 pm
Probably 20 falsehoods about the Iraq war is much easier to find than 2 truths about the war. c.i.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 12:29 am
Not so sure I'd call that article an "analysis." All it did was summarize the list of what is already known to be falsehoods into one neat package. There really isn't much true analysis in any of the media these days unless it has to do with sports or the stock market.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 08:02 am
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14.07.2003
Glen Rangwala and Raymond Whitaker sift fact from fiction as controversy rages over the Iraq war.
1) Iraq was responsible for the September 11 terrorist attacks.
A supposed meeting in Prague between Mohammed Atta, leader of the September 11 hijackers, and an Iraqi intelligence official was the basis for this claim, but Czech intelligence later conceded that the Iraqi's contact could not have been Atta. This did not stop the stream of assertions that Iraq was involved.
At one stage opinion polls showed that two-thirds of Americans believed Saddam Hussein was behind the attacks. Almost as many believed Iraqi hijackers were on the crashed aircraft.


I don't recall ever seeing an official press release stating this. It may have been suspected, maybe even wished, but never released. Polls should hold no weight in a pseudo-intellectual article as this.

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Iraq and al Qaeda were working together.
Claims by United States and British leaders that Saddam and Osama bin Laden were in league were contradicted by a leaked British intelligence report, which said there were no current links between them. Bin Laden's "aims are in ideological conflict with present-day Iraq", it added.
Another strand to the claims was that al Qaeda members were being sheltered in Iraq, and had set up a poisons training camp.
When US troops reached the camp, they found no chemical or biological traces.


http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/25/us.iraq.alqaeda/
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/28/1048653833092.html
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/3/28/90101.shtml

However, there still remains much doubt about any connection between Saddam and Osama. It has yet to be proven or disproven.

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Iraq sought uranium from Africa for a "reconstituted" N-weapons programme.
The head of the CIA has admitted that documents purporting to show that Iraq tried to import uranium from Niger were forged, and that the claim should never have been in President George W. Bush's State of the Union address.
Britain sticks by the claim, but the Foreign Office conceded last week that this information was now "under review".


Eh, the author is stating facts that don't exist. It has yet to be seen if the British reports are true or not. However, being the eternal pessimist, the author assumes them to be false.

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Iraq was trying to import aluminum tubes to develop nuclear weapons.
The US persistently claimed that Baghdad tried to buy high-strength aluminum tubes whose only use could be in gas centrifuges, needed to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons.
The International Atomic Energy Agency said the tubes were for artillery rockets. Agency head Mohamed ElBaradei told the UN Security Council in January that the tubes were useless for centrifuges.


With the centrifuges being recently found along with the plans to reconstitute the nuclear program, this isn't as far fetched as it appeared. I think that saddam got ripped off. He had intended to get the proper tubes, but got the wrong ones by mistake.

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Iraq still had vast stocks of chemical and biological weapons from the first Gulf War.
Iraq possessed enough dangerous substances to kill the whole world, it was alleged more than once. It had pilotless aircraft that could be smuggled into the US and used to spray chemical and biological toxins.
Experts pointed out that apart from mustard gas, Iraq never had the technology to produce materials with a shelf-life of 12 years, the time between the two wars. All such agents would have deteriorated to the point of uselessness years ago.


Until we find them, it has to be assumed that they exist. Better safe than sorry.

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Iraq retained up to 20 missiles able to carry chemical or biological warheads, which would threaten British forces in Cyprus.
Apart from the fact that there has been no sign of these missiles since the invasion, Britain downplayed the risk of there being any such weapons in Iraq once the fighting began.
Chemical protection equipment was removed from British bases in Cyprus last year, indicating that the Government did not take its own claims seriously.


They haven't found them, therefore they don't exist? What kind of logic is that? I think Israel was more likely the target. They had plenty of chemical protection ready and available.

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Saddam had the wherewithal to develop smallpox
This claim was made by US Secretary of State Colin Powell in his address to the Security Council in February. The following month the UN said there was nothing to support it.


According to the UN. Who do you believe? Of course most liberals will automatically believe anything that the UN says over the current administration simply because they don't like it. Small minds have small ideas.

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US and British claims were supported by weapons inspectors.
According to British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, chief UN weapons inspector Dr Hans Blix "pointed out" that Iraq had 10,000 litres of anthrax.
British Prime Minister Tony Blair said Iraq's chemical, biological and "indeed the nuclear weapons programme" had been well-documented by the UN.
Blix's reply? "This is not the same as saying there are weapons of mass destruction," he said last September.
In May he added: "I am obviously very interested in the question of whether or not there were weapons of mass destruction, and I am beginning to suspect there possibly were not."


Blix is an inept pawn in the game of world politics. He was a failure as a weapons inspector.

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Previous weapons inspections had failed.
Blair told the Independent in March that the UN had "tried unsuccessfully for 12 years to get Saddam to disarm peacefully". But in 1999 a Security Council panel concluded: "Although important elements still have to be resolved, the bulk of Iraq's proscribed weapons programmes has been eliminated."
Blair also claimed UN inspectors "found no trace at all of Saddam's offensive biological weapons programme" until his son-in-law defected. In fact, the UN got the regime to admit to its programme more than a month before the defection.


So, they couldn't find evidence until it was shown to them? Real successful inspections, guys. I believe that they were supposed to be rid of ALL of their proscribed weapons programs, not just the bulk of themÂ…

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Iraq was obstructing the inspectors.
Britain's "dodgy dossier" in February claimed inspectors' escorts were "trained to start long arguments" with other Iraqi officials while evidence was being hidden, and inspectors' journeys were monitored and notified ahead to remove surprise.
Blix said in February that the UN had conducted more than 400 inspections, all without notice. "In no case have we seen convincing evidence that the Iraqi side knew the inspectors were coming."


How many American soldiers were across the border at that time? Without that threat, there is no way to tell if Saddam would have been as cooperative as he was.


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Iraq could deploy its weapons of mass destruction in 45 minutes.
This now-notorious claim was based on a single source, said to be a serving Iraqi military officer.
This individual has not been produced since the war, but in any case Blair contradicted the claim in April. He said Iraq had begun to conceal its weapons in May last year, which meant they could not have been used within 45 minutes.


We should ALWAYS automatically disbelieve any intelligence we receive. That way we can all be in more danger and have many fewer nights sleep worrying about terrorists. What the hell?

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The "dodgy dossier".
Blair told Parliament in February, when the dossier was issued: "We issued further intelligence over the weekend about the infrastructure of concealment. It is obviously difficult when we publish intelligence reports."
It soon emerged that most of it was cribbed without attribution from three articles on the internet.


Eh, that's the British.

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War would be easy.
Public fears of war in the US and Britain were assuaged by assurances that Iraqis would welcome the invading forces.
Resistance was patchy, but stiffer than expected, mainly from irregular forces fighting in civilian clothes. "This wasn't the enemy we war-gamed against," one general complained.


The war was easy. The peace is difficult.

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Umm Qasr.
The fall of Iraq's only port was announced several times before Anglo-American forces gained full control - among others by Admiral Michael Boyce, chief of Britain's defence staff.
"Umm Qasr has been overwhelmed by the US Marines and is now in coalition hands," he said, somewhat prematurely.


Blame the media, not the military.

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The Basra rebellion.
Claims that the Shia Muslim population of Basra, Iraq's second city, had risen against their oppressors were repeated for days, long after it became clear to those on the ground that this was little more than wishful thinking.
The defeat of a supposed breakout by Iraqi armour was also announced by a military spokesman in no position to know the truth.


Is it true? I haven't seen any evidence that it is not.

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The "rescue" of Private Jessica Lynch.
Lynch's "rescue" from a hospital in Nasiriyah by American special forces was presented as the major "feel-good" story of the war.
She was said to have fired back at Iraqi troops until her ammunition ran out, and was taken to hospital suffering bullet and stab wounds.
But all her injuries were suffered in a vehicle crash, which left her incapable of firing.
Medical staff had tried to return her to the Americans after Iraqi forces pulled out, but the doctors had to turn back when US troops fired on them.
The special forces encountered no resistance, but made sure the whole episode was filmed.


Ah yes, PFC. Lynch. Read http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A2760-2003Jun16?language=printer. Is the author saying it didn't happen? Isn't this article about falsehoods?

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Troops would face chemical and biological weapons.
As US forces approached Baghdad, there was a rash of reports that they would cross a "red line", within which Republican Guard units were authorised to use chemical weapons.
Lieutenant-General James Conway, the leading US Marine commander in Iraq, conceded later that intelligence reports that chemical weapons had been deployed around Baghdad were wrong.


All signs pointed to this being the way it would be. No evidence was found to dispute this fear until it was over.

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Interrogation of scientists would yield the location of weapons.
"I have got absolutely no doubt that those weapons are there ... Once we have the co-operation of the scientists and the experts, I have got no doubt that we will find them," Blair said in April.
Other leading figures said interrogations would provide discoveries that searches had failed to supply. But almost all of Iraq's leading scientists are in custody, and claims that lingering fears of Saddam are stilling their tongues are beginning to wear thin.


Again with the factual information based on nothing. Until Saddam and his sons are found and the baathist party completely abolished, many of the scientists are right to fear for their lives and those of their families.

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Iraq's oil money would go to Iraqis.
Blair complained in Parliament that "people falsely claim that we want to seize" Iraq's oil revenues, adding that they should be put in a trust fund for the Iraqi people administered through the UN.
Instead, Britain co-sponsored a Security Council resolution that gave the US and Britain control over Iraq's oil revenue.


Iraq's oil money is and will go to the Iraqi people.

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Weapons of mass destruction found.
After repeated false sightings, both Blair and Bush claimed on May 30 that two trailers found in Iraq were biological laboratories. "We have already found two trailers, both of which we believe were used for the production of biological weapons," said Blair. It is almost certain the vehicles were for producing hydrogen for weather balloons.


Feh. They could ALSO be used as mobile labsÂ…

An interesting collection of more lies. I believe that somewhere in the middle, the truth will be found.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 08:35 am
McGentrix
"An interesting collection of more lies. I believe that somewhere in the middle, the truth will be found".

When I was in Chile I learned of an interesting and silly little game Argentina would play with the Argentine/Chile boundary. It was called moving the monument. The legal boundary of the two counties is the divide that marks the ridgeline of the Andes, but it is poorly defined. By a 19th century treaty the arbitrator of any dispute over that line is the monarch of England (currently Elizabeth II). Every once in a while the Argentines would pick up a boundary marker and move it two kilometers down the road into Chilean territory. Chile would complain and Elizabeth would be called to arbitrate. She could care less so she would split the difference and move it back one kilometer. Thus Argentina would gain a kilometer.

That seems to be what is going on here. The Bush administration makes outrageous claims, fair minded people cut him some slack, and the lies and distortions gain some credibility.
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williamhenry3
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 11:23 pm
c.i.<

Two Truths about the War in Iraq[/b]

1. More than 100 American soldiers have already met their deaths in the
war.

2. Many more hundreds of our finest young people will die before this
"official guerilla war" is halted.
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SkisOnFire
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2003 12:57 am
Not to mention thousands of HUMAN BEINGS who happen not to be graced with the divinity of US citizenship.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2003 10:52 am
I'm talking about the "truths" coming out of this administration. c.i.
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williamhenry3
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2003 05:58 pm
Good luck, c.i.

You do understand, of course, that the "truth" is the last thing to expect from a Republican administration, especially one headed by a dullard. It just ain't gonna happen!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2003 06:02 pm
I understood that when I offered the challenge. Wink c.i.
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