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IMPORTANT! Beginning of the end of Rumsfeld, Cheney et al?

 
 
Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2003 11:57 am
If a lot of smart members of A2K could predict why we should not pre-emptively attack Iraq and what would happen in Iraq post-war, why couldn't the Bush administration figure it out, too? Because the Bushy "true believers" were bamboozled by the biggest con artist of this decade. Iraq exile Ahmad Chalabi conned the civilian "true believers" in the Whitehouse and the Pentagon with his illogical fantasy of an idealized post war Iraq.

Finally, the underlings at the CIA, the Pentagon and the State Department are starting to leak to the Media the facts of the disaster created by these imperialist oil-soaked true believers. Watergate de je vue?

REMEMBER THE FOLLOWING CIVILIAN NAMES AS THE US BODY BAGS ARE BROUGHT HOME:

George W. Bush
Richard Cheney
Donald Rumsfeld
Paul Wolfowitz
Condoleezza Rice
Douglas J. Feith
William Luti
Richard Perle
Ahmad Chalabi

I don't know why Colin Powell doesn't resign and save his respected reputation before he is muddied in the Bush slime that's comming?

---BumbleBeeBoogie
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No real planning for postwar Iraq
By Johathan S. Landay & Warren P. Strobel
(Renee Schoof and researcher Tish Wells contributed to this article.)
Posted on Fri, Jul. 11, 2003 ) Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - The small circle of senior civilians in the Defense Department who dominated planning for postwar Iraq failed to prepare for the setbacks that have erupted over the past two months.

The officials didn't develop any real postwar plans because they believed that Iraqis would welcome U.S. troops with open arms and Washington could install a favored Iraqi exile leader as the country's leader. The Pentagon civilians ignored CIA and State Department experts who disputed them, resisted White House pressure to back off from their favored exile leader and when their scenario collapsed amid increasing violence and disorder, they had no backup plan.

Today, American forces face instability in Iraq, where they are losing soldiers almost daily to escalating guerrilla attacks, the cost of occupation is exploding to almost $4 billion a month and withdrawal appears untold years away.

"There was no real planning for postwar Iraq," said a former senior U.S. official who left government recently.

The story of the flawed postwar planning process was gathered in interviews with more than a dozen current and former senior government officials.

One senior defense official told Knight Ridder that the failure of Pentagon civilians to set specific objectives - short-, medium- and long-term - for Iraq's stabilization and reconstruction after Saddam Hussein's regime fell even left U.S. military commanders uncertain about how many and what kinds of troops would be needed after the war.

In contrast, years before World War II ended, American planners plotted extraordinarily detailed blueprints for administering postwar Germany and Japan, designing everything from rebuilt economies to law enforcement and democratic governments.

The disenchanted U.S. officials today think the failure of the Pentagon civilians to develop such detailed plans contributed to the chaos in post-Saddam Iraq.

"We could have done so much better," lamented a former senior Pentagon official, who is still a Defense Department adviser. While most officials requested anonymity because going public could force them out of government service, some were willing to talk on the record.

Ultimately, however, the responsibility for ensuring that post-Saddam planning anticipated all possible complications lay with Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld and Bush's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, current and former officials said.

The Pentagon planning group, directed by Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith, the department's No. 3 official, included hard-line conservatives who had long advocated using the American military to overthrow Saddam. Its day-to-day boss was William Luti, a former Navy officer who worked for Vice President Dick Cheney before joining the Pentagon.

The Pentagon group insisted on doing it its way because it had a visionary strategy that it hoped would transform Iraq into an ally of Israel, remove a potential threat to the Persian Gulf oil trade and encircle Iran with U.S. friends and allies. The problem was that officials at the State Department and CIA thought the vision was badly flawed and impractical, so the Pentagon planners simply excluded their rivals from involvement.

Feith, Luti and their advisers wanted to put Ahmad Chalabi - the controversial Iraqi exile leader of a coalition of opposition groups - in power in Baghdad. The Pentagon planners were convinced that Iraqis would warmly welcome the American-led coalition and that Chalabi, who boasted of having a secret network inside and outside the regime, and his supporters would replace Saddam and impose order. Feith, in a series of responses Friday to written questions, denied that the Pentagon wanted to put Chalabi in charge.

But Pentagon adviser Richard Perle, who at the time was the chairman of the Defense Policy Board - an influential group of outside advisers to the Pentagon - and is close to Feith and Luti, acknowledged in an interview that installing Chalabi was the plan.

Referring to the Chalabi scenario, Perle said: "The Department of Defense proposed a plan that would have resulted in a substantial number of Iraqis available to assist in the immediate postwar period." Had it been accepted, "we'd be in much better shape today," he said. Perle said blame for any planning failures belonged to the State Department and other agencies that opposed the Chalabi route.

A senior administration official, who requested anonymity, said the Pentagon officials were enamored of Chalabi because he advocated normal diplomatic relations with Israel. They believed that would have "taken off the board" one of the only remaining major Arab threats to Israeli security.

Moreover, Chalabi was key to containing the influence of Iran's radical Islamic leaders in the region, because he would have provided bases in Iraq for U.S. troops. That would complete Iran's encirclement by American military forces around the Persian Gulf and U.S. friends in Russia and Central Asia, he said.

But the failure to consult more widely on what to do if the Chalabi scenario failed denied American planners the benefits of a vast reservoir of expertise gained from peacekeeping and reconstruction in shattered nations from Bosnia to East Timor.

As one example, the Pentagon planners ignored an eight-month-long effort led by the State Department to prepare for the day when Saddam's dictatorship was gone. The "Future of Iraq" project, which involved dozens of exiled Iraqi professionals and 17 U.S. agencies, including the Pentagon, prepared strategies for everything from drawing up a new Iraqi judicial code to restoring the unique ecosystem of Iraq's southern marshes, which Saddam's regime had drained.

Virtually none of the "Future of Iraq" project's work was used once Saddam fell.

The first U.S. administrator in Iraq, retired Lt. Gen. Jay Garner, wanted the Future of Iraq project director, Tom Warrick, to join his staff in Baghdad. Warrick had begun packing his bags, but Pentagon civilians vetoed his appointment, said one current and one former official.

Meanwhile, postwar planning documents from the State Department, CIA and elsewhere were "simply disappearing down the black hole" at the Pentagon, said a former U.S. official with long Middle East experience who recently returned from Iraq.

Archaeological experts who were worried about protecting Iraq's immense cultural treasures were rebuffed in their requests for meetings before the war. After it, Iraq's museum treasures were looted.

Responsibility for preparing for post-Saddam Iraq lay with senior officials who supervised the Office of Special Plans, a highly secretive group of analysts and consultants in the Pentagon's Near East/South Asia bureau. The office was physically isolated from the rest of the bureau. Air Force Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, who retired from the Near East bureau on July 1, said she and her colleagues were allowed little contact with the Office of Special Plans and often were told by the officials who ran it to ignore the State Department's concerns and views.

"We almost disemboweled State," Kwiatkowski said.

Senior State Department and White House officials verified her account and cited many instances where officials from other agencies were excluded from meetings or decisions.

The Chalabi plan, fiercely opposed by the CIA and the State Department, ran into major problems.

President Bush, after meeting with Iraqi exiles in January, told aides that, while he admired the Iraqi exiles, they wouldn't be rewarded with power in Baghdad. "The future of this country . . . is not going to be charted by people who sat out the sonofabitch (Saddam) in London or Cambridge, Massachusetts," one former senior White House official quoted Bush as saying.

After that, the White House quashed the Pentagon's plan to create _ before the war started _ an Iraqi-government-in-exile that included Chalabi.

The Chalabi scheme was dealt another major blow in February, a month before the war started, when U.S. intelligence agencies monitored him conferring with hard-line Islamic leaders in Tehran, Iran, a State Department official said. About the same time, an Iraqi Shiite militia that was based in Iran and known as the Badr Brigade began moving into northern Iraq, setting off alarm bells in Washington.

At the State Department, officials drafted a memo, titled "The Perfect Storm," warning of a confluence of catastrophic developments that would endanger the goals of the coming U.S. invasion. Cheney, once a strong Chalabi backer, ordered the Pentagon to curb its support for the exiles, the official said.

Yet Chalabi continued to receive Pentagon assistance, including backing for a 700-man paramilitary unit. The U.S. military flew Chalabi and his men at the height of the war from the safety of northern Iraq, which was outside Saddam's control, to an air base outside the southern city of Nasiriyah in expectation that he would soon take power.

Chalabi settled into a former hunting club in the fashionable Mansour section of Baghdad. He was joined by Harold Rhode, a top Feith aide, said the former U.S. official who recently returned from Iraq.

But Chalabi lacked popular support - graffiti in Iraq referred to "Ahmad the Thief" - and anti-American anger was growing over the looting and anarchy that followed Saddam's ouster.

"It was very clear that there was an expectation that the exiles would be the core of an Iraqi interim (governing) authority," retired U.S. Ambassador Timothy Carney said. He was in Iraq in April to help with postwar reconstruction.

Once Saddam's regime fell, American authorities "quickly grasped" that Chalabi and his people couldn't take charge, Carney said.

However, the Pentagon had devised no backup plan. Numerous officials in positions to know said that if Pentagon civilians had a detailed plan that anticipated what could happen after Saddam fell, it was invisible to them.

Garner's team didn't even have such basics as working cell phones and adequate transportation. And Garner was replaced in May _ much earlier than planned _ by L. Paul Bremer. In his e-mail response to questions, Feith denied that officials in his office were instructed to ignore the concerns of other agencies and departments. He contended that in planning for Iraq, there was a "robust interagency process," led by the National Security Council staff at the White House.

Feith repeated a theme that he struck in a speech Tuesday in Washington, when he said planners prepared for "a long list of problems" that never happened, including destruction of oil fields, Saddam's use of chemical and biological weapons, food shortages, a collapse of the Iraqi currency and large-scale refugee flows. "Instead, we are facing some of the problems brought on by our very success in the war," he said.

Feith rejected criticisms that the Pentagon should have used more troops to invade Iraq. That might have prevented postwar looting, he said, but U.S. military commanders would have lost tactical surprise by waiting for extra troops, and thus "might have had the other terrible problems that we anticipated."

"War, like life in general, always involves trade-offs," Feith said. "It is not right to assume that any current problems in Iraq can be attributed to poor planning."

Other officials, while critical of the Pentagon, say it is unfair to lay sole blame on civilians such as Feith who are working under Rumsfeld. The former senior White House official said Rice and her deputy, Stephen Hadley, never took the logical - if politically risky - step of acknowledging that American troops would have to occupy Iraq for years to stabilize and rebuild the country.

"You let him (Bush) go into this without a serious plan . . . for the endgame," the official said. It was "staggeringly negligent on their part."

Still, the Defense Department was in charge of day-to-day postwar planning. And the problems were numerous, the current and former officials said. Key allies with a huge stake in Iraq's future were often left uninformed of the details of U.S. postwar planning.

For example, the government of Turkey, which borders Iraq to the north and was being asked by Washington to allow 60,000 American troops to invade Iraq from its soil, peppered the U.S. government with 51 questions about postwar plans.

The reply came in a cable Feb. 5, more than 10 pages long, from the State Department. Largely drafted by the Pentagon, it answered many of Ankara's queries, but on some questions, including the structure of the postwar government in Iraq, the cable affirmed that "no decision has been made," a senior administration official said. The response was "still in work, still in work . . . we're still working on that," Kwiatkowski said. "Basically an empty answer."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2003 12:05 pm
BBB, None of those people are going to be 'fired' from their jobs. That Ari resigned is significant in my books. It speaks to the secrets we're not privy to. c.i.
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LibertyD
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2003 02:34 pm
I don't think this can be blamed on anyone else except those in the Bush administration. It's common knowledge that this war was planned long before he took office, and whether Chalabi was involved or not, I don't know. The decision to invade Iraq, though, was not planned after 9/11 -- it was just justified (in their minds, anyway) after that.

BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

I don't know why Colin Powell doesn't resign and save his respected reputation before he is muddied in the Bush slime that's comming?


I'm not sure, at this point, that his reputation hasn't already been damaged beyond repair. In my opinion, if he was going to resign, he should have done it a long time ago.

Last summer I was talking about the possibility of him resigning with a friend, who said that at least if he stays, we'll have one sane member of the administration. In the past year, though, it looks like not even he is immune to the bullying that apparently is rampant among the Bushies. They obviously don't have the same amount of respect for the man that the rest of us have had, and I have a feeling (if he's the man we all think he is) that he's going to regret the move to join this administration for the rest of his life. I hate the way they've treated him.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2003 05:37 pm
I see no reason to separate Powell from the rest of the administration. I said long before he was hired that he was not the great man so many want him to be. He has long since proved I was right.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2003 06:30 pm
edgar, Well, I was one of those fooled by Colin Powell. I really thought he was made of the 'right stuff.' Sad to see him degraded to a pawn in this administration. c.i.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2003 06:30 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
I see no reason to separate Powell from the rest of the administration. I said long before he was hired that he was not the great man so many want him to be. He has long since proved I was right.


I was fooled by Powell -- but now see him in a different light. You are absolutely right, Edgar, there is no reason to separate him from the rest of that group.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2003 06:58 pm
It should be apparent by this time that Powell is definitely not the man most thought he was and hoped he would be.
As for the rest of the motley crew they will be with us as long as Bush is. And not a moment longer.
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Montana
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2003 09:55 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
I see no reason to separate Powell from the rest of the administration. I said long before he was hired that he was not the great man so many want him to be. He has long since proved I was right.



I agree as well.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2003 11:05 pm
BBB

Nice to see you. Great piece! It's come out recently also that the source which the NY Times reporter (I can't recall her name) who said she'd seen clear evidence of weapons programs from a deep and reliable source she couldn't name at the time was actually listening to Chalabi.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 09:01 am
Why are they are nameless, faceless, dead Americans?
Have you noticed that the Media no longer shows the pictures and names of the Americans being killed daily in Iraq? When the "War" was being waged, we saw pictures, names and hometowns of every American killed and even some of the wounded.

Now that the "war" is over, according to Bush, they are just statistics. The Media announces another American died or was wounded today. The Media only shows pictures of their destroyed vehicles in which they were killed and Iraqis cheering about their deaths. Only the dead Americans hometown media present their stories.

Does Bush et al prefer it that way? Why is the Media going along with lack of REAL news of these nameless, faceless, dead Americans?

-----BumbleBeeBoogie
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 09:05 am
Judith Miller, a terrific reporter that was, now discredited.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 10:16 am
Tartarin
Tartarin wrote: "Judith Miller, a terrific reporter that was, now discredited."

I don't understand your post or its relevance to this issue?

---- Confused BumbleBeeBoogie
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 11:27 am
BBB, your peice at the top here is excellent. Thank you.

I think Tartarin was providing Blatham with the name of the reporter who had been talking to Cabali. Apparently she didn't look deeply enough and so is now discredited. Is that right, Tartarin?

It's clear the issue is credibility, just as it's always been. The evidence that Bush and Co. bend the facts in order to further their own agenda is everywhere. How Bush and his boys have gotten away with it this long is an important question.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 11:47 am
Lola, It's mind-bogling to me! Either everybody is sleeping or they still don't understand the "facts." c.i.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 12:34 pm
Re: Why are they are nameless, faceless, dead Americans?
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Have you noticed that the Media no longer shows the pictures and names of the Americans being killed daily in Iraq? When the "War" was being waged, we saw pictures, names and hometowns of every American killed and even some of the wounded.

Now that the "war" is over, according to Bush, they are just statistics. The Media announces another American died or was wounded today. The Media only shows pictures of their destroyed vehicles in which they were killed and Iraqis cheering about their deaths. Only the dead Americans hometown media present their stories.

Does Bush et al prefer it that way? Why is the Media going along with lack of REAL news of these nameless, faceless, dead Americans?

-----BumbleBeeBoogie


PBS is still showing them on a nightly basis on the NewsHour with Jim Lehrer.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 12:44 pm
Remember the Iranian twins that died in Singapore? That got more news coverage than our soldiers getting killed daily in Iraq. Something is definitely wrong with our news media. c.i.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 12:55 pm
C.I.
I don't know what you are listening to however, I unfortuneatly hear about American casulties constantly. CNN always reports them.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 01:49 pm
Yeah, sorry. Thought my post about Miller would drop in right after Blatham's so didn't elaborate. Miller, as I remember, did some much admired work on digging up info about anthrax and other bio-weapons. But she has had problems. We did discuss them at one point in Abuzz or here in A2K, but this old bean has filed the Miller info in the "need time to remember" file.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 01:58 pm
au,

I'm beginning to hear more about these sad deaths on the media too. But I think c.i.'s point and mine as well is, how has it taken so much time for these atrocities to be reported or investigated? This morning there was an interview with an American service man who is very unhappy he has been detained in Iraq after he had been told he would leave. Then they had an interview with a woman who is a fiance of a service man in Iraq who was very unhappy about his continued presence in Iraq. Good coverage, I thought. I hope it doesn't dry up as so many of these stories seem to have been doing. I simply wonder why.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2003 03:14 pm
Just saw an intertview on t.v. with a woman who has a father in Iraq. The jest of her comment was that she no longer trusts the miilitary to tell them the truth about anything, especially when their loved ones will be coming home. She said that as far as she was concerned, "they" have lost all credibility. c.i.
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