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Lamenting Lack of War: Poor Souls

 
 
Reply Sun 8 Apr, 2007 04:52 pm
Lamenting Lack of War

by Alan Bock
Well, as I predicted a few days ago, the release of the British hostages/captives/whatever has been quickly followed by lamentations and gnashing of teeth. As David Pryce-Jones put it on Thursday over at National Review Online, "now is the time for recriminations." What might have seemed like a success to people using mere common sense - the release of those British sailors and marines with no loss of life, no apparent admissions of dastardly breaching of territorial waters, no overt threats, no military action that would undoubtedly have had unfortunate repercussions and might have failed, no irreparable breaches - is viewed as a humiliating defeat for Great Britain, the EU, the U.N., the United States and civilization in general.

The usual suspects - although they generally refrained from writing much during the incident you can almost feel the palpable disappointment at the Weekly Standard and environs that there was no opportunity to drop bombs or unleash special forces - thought that this would have been the time to give the Islamic Republic a little whiff o' the grape. Poor dears.

Perhaps the most visible warmonger during the crisis was former (whew!) U.S. ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton, who has hardly ever seen a potential war he didn't want the United States to start. He excoriated Great Britain and Tony Blair for not imposing "real pain, real economic sanctions." A week ago he was fulminating that Tony Blair's week-kneed and "inept" approach wasn't working.

A few days later the hostages were freed.

Newt Gingrich advocated military retaliation aimed at crippling Iran's oil production capacity. If the U.S. were so civilized as to force the Iranians to "go back to walking and using oxen to pull carts," he speculated, maybe they would overthrow the government. Ah, the joys of Leninist conservatism!

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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 06:27 am
Re: Lamenting Lack of War: Poor Souls
blueflame1 wrote:
Lamenting Lack of War

by Alan Bock
Well, as I predicted a few days ago, the release of the British hostages/captives/whatever has been quickly followed by lamentations and gnashing of teeth. As David Pryce-Jones put it on Thursday over at National Review Online, "now is the time for recriminations." What might have seemed like a success to people using mere common sense - the release of those British sailors and marines with no loss of life, no apparent admissions of dastardly breaching of territorial waters, no overt threats, no military action that would undoubtedly have had unfortunate repercussions and might have failed, no irreparable breaches - is viewed as a humiliating defeat for Great Britain, the EU, the U.N., the United States and civilization in general.

The usual suspects - although they generally refrained from writing much during the incident you can almost feel the palpable disappointment at the Weekly Standard and environs that there was no opportunity to drop bombs or unleash special forces - thought that this would have been the time to give the Islamic Republic a little whiff o' the grape. Poor dears.

Perhaps the most visible warmonger during the crisis was former (whew!) U.S. ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton, who has hardly ever seen a potential war he didn't want the United States to start. He excoriated Great Britain and Tony Blair for not imposing "real pain, real economic sanctions." A week ago he was fulminating that Tony Blair's week-kneed and "inept" approach wasn't working.

A few days later the hostages were freed.

Newt Gingrich advocated military retaliation aimed at crippling Iran's oil production capacity. If the U.S. were so civilized as to force the Iranians to "go back to walking and using oxen to pull carts," he speculated, maybe they would overthrow the government. Ah, the joys of Leninist conservatism!

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What was Iran's point? Why did they feel the need to invade Iraqi waters and take hostages?
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High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 06:43 am
Baldimo - not sure of the Iranian argument (exact coordinates of ships don't appear to be in doubt) but the Shatt-al-Arab waterway boundaries have long been in dispute:

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In the 1639 treaty, the frontier zone was over one hundred miles wide, between the Zagros Mountains in the east and the Tigris and Shatt al-Arab rivers in the west.

http://www.defencejournal.com/jul99/shatt-al-arab.htm

The British admiralty maps use the median as dividing line; no idea what claim the Iranians are making.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 07:32 am
Baldimo, the point is the insanity of the Newt Gingrich types who proposed bombing Iran back to the stone age just before things were resolved through diplomacy.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 09:19 am
blueflame1 wrote:
Baldimo, the point is the insanity of the Newt Gingrich types who proposed bombing Iran back to the stone age just before things were resolved through diplomacy.


If Iran hadn't taken those saliors hostage there wouldn't have been a reason to resolve anything. They were to ones who caused the mess not the UK. Iran was trying to pull something and we don't know what it was. What ever it was, I'm sure they were happy with the results.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 09:34 am
Baldimo, sure. And if Blair and Bushie had not lied the world into war the Brits would not even have been there. Not to mention the "secret" war Blair and Bushie are fighting in Iran in partnership with Saddam's worst killers. http://infowars.net/articles/march2007/300307Iran_provocation.htm
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 11:09 am
Don't forget the German lies.

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In February 2001, the BND compiled a further report and intelligence chief August Hanning told Spiegel magazine that, "Since the end of the UN inspections [December 1998], we have determined a jump in procurement efforts by Iraq," adding that Saddam was rebuilding destroyed weapons facilities "partly based on the German industrial standard".

According to the report:
# Iraq has resumed its nuclear program and may be capable of producing an atomic bomb in three years;
# Iraq is developing its Al Samoud and Ababil 100/Al Fatah short-range rockets, which can deliver a 300kg payload 150km. Medium-range rockets capable of carrying a warhead 3,000km could be built by 2005 - far enough to reach Europe;
# Iraq is capable of manufacturing solid rocket fuel;
# A Delhi-based company, blacklisted by the German government because of its alleged role in weapons proliferation, has acted as a buyer on Iraq's behalf. Deliveries have been made via Malaysia and Dubai. Indian companies have copied German machine tools down to the smallest detail and such equipment has been installed in numerous chemicals projects. [Note that such Indian cooperation with Iraq is something of a tradition: during the Iran-Iraq war India delivered precursors for warfare agents to Iraq - and later was found to have delivered quantities of the same materials to Iran. Baghdad's middleman at the time, an Iraqi with a German passport, founded a company in Singapore expressly for this purpose.]
# Since the departure of the UN inspectors, the number of Iraqi sites involved in chemicals production has increased from 20 to 80. Of that total, a quarter could be involved in weapons production.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 11:31 am
blueflame1 wrote:
Baldimo, sure. And if Blair and Bushie had not lied the world into war the Brits would not even have been there. Not to mention the "secret" war Blair and Bushie are fighting in Iran in partnership with Saddam's worst killers. http://infowars.net/articles/march2007/300307Iran_provocation.htm


You mean that they are killing people in Iran right now? If were so don't you think Iran would be all over the news proclaiming this? You have really got to stop hanging out at those jihad sites.

You are wrong about the US and UK not being there. We have been in the area since the end of the Gulf War. Remember it was Iraq shooting at US and UK planes in the no fly zone. If Saddam would have been more transparent in the whole inspection process and not paid off UN officals with oil and money then the world wouldn't have to be in Iraq right now. Remember he didn't have money to provide medicne to his people but had plenty of money to provide new cars to his sons and plenty of money to build new houses (read mansions) for his sons himself and other top Iraqi officals.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 01:26 pm
Baldimo, yeah sure. I remember Hans Blix too who was doing the job this world needed. The war Blair and Bushie started on the ground is responsible for British troops killing and getting killed. As for Saddam he was hired as an assassin by the CIA back in 1959, was raised through the ranks, armed and funded by America. A real money maker for American arms merchants with a history of such betrayal. Arming madmen, getting rich off the blowback.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 02:11 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
Baldimo, yeah sure. I remember Hans Blix too who was doing the job this world needed. The war Blair and Bushie started on the ground is responsible for British troops killing and getting killed. As for Saddam he was hired as an assassin by the CIA back in 1959, was raised through the ranks, armed and funded by America. A real money maker for American arms merchants with a history of such betrayal. Arming madmen, getting rich off the blowback.


Saddam never worked for the CIA. Who was he hired to kill? Saddam didn't have any contact with the US till the 80's. Remember the photo of Rummy and him that the left so likes to put up?

Did you ever see the pic of Saddam and the president of Iraq from the 70's? Talk about being in business together. France sold Saddam his first nuke power plant which Israel blew up. You really need to brush up on the history of Iraq. Who's jets was Iraq flying for the last several decades? Who did they get most of their arms from over the last several decades. I beleive we have seen lots of picks of the Iraq's using AK's and not M16's.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 04:17 pm
Baldimo, Saddam worked for the CIA from 1959 on. I aint surprised you haven't done your homework because you show a pattern of that. If you choose you can browse this page and maybe shoot holes in the widespread story. link
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2007 04:21 pm
I love this short history of Saddam. Bing Crosby adds a nice touch. http://www.ericblumrich.com/thanks.html
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