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Senate approves bill forcing Iraq troop withdrawal 51-47

 
 
Reply Thu 29 Mar, 2007 10:01 am
Senate approves war spending bill forcing Iraq troop withdrawal, despite veto threat
ANNE FLAHERTY - AP
March 29, 2007

WASHINGTON ?- Senate Democrats ignored a veto threat and pushed through a bill Thursday requiring President Bush to start withdrawing troops from "the civil war in Iraq," dealing a rare, sharp rebuke to a wartime commander in chief.

In a mostly party line 51-47 vote, the Senate signed off on a bill providing $122 billion to pay for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It also orders Bush to begin withdrawing troops within 120 days of passage while setting a nonbinding goal of ending combat operations by March 31, 2008.

The vote came shortly after Bush invited all House Republicans to the White House to appear with him in a sort of pep rally to bolster his position in the continuing war policy fight.

"We stand united in saying loud and clear that when we've got a troop in harm's way, we expect that troop to be fully funded," Bush said, surrounded by Republicans on the North Portico, "and we got commanders making tough decisions on the ground, we expect there to be no strings on our commanders."

"We expect the Congress to be wise about how they spend the people's money," he said.

The Senate vote marked its boldest challenge yet to the administration's handling of a war, now in its fifth year, that has cost the lives of more than 3,200 American troops and more than $350 billion. In a show of support for the president, most Republicans opposed the measure, unwilling to back a troop withdrawal schedule despite the conflict's widespread unpopularity.

"Surely this will embolden the enemy and it will not help our troops in any way," said Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala.

Forty-eight Democrats and independent Bernard Sanders of Vermont were joined by two Republicans, Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and Gordon Smith of Oregon, in voting for the measure. Opposed were 46 Republicans and Connecticut independent Joseph Lieberman.

Sens. Mike Enzi, R-Wy., and Tim Johnson, D-S.D., did not vote.

The House, also run by Democrats, narrowly passed similar legislation last week. Party leaders seem determined that the final bill negotiated between the two chambers will demand some sort of timetable for winding down the war _ setting them on course for a veto showdown with the president.

"We've spoken the words the American people wanted us to speak," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. "There must be a change of direction in the war in Iraq, the civil war in Iraq."

"The Senate and the House have held together and done what we've done," he told reporters. "It's now in his corner to do what he wants to do."

In a letter to Bush, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Reid had said earlier: "This Congress is taking the responsible course and responding to needs that have been ignored by your administration and the prior Congress."

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said the president respects the role of Congress _ and Congress should respect his.

"I think the founders of our nation had great foresight in realizing that it would be better to have one commander in chief managing a war, rather than 535 generals on Capitol Hill trying to do the same thing," she said. "They're mandating failure here."

The legislation represents the Senate's first, bold challenge of Bush's war policies since Democrats took control of Congress in January. With Senate rules allowing the minority party to insist on 60 votes to pass any bill and Democrats holding only a narrow majority, Reid previously had been unable to push through resolutions critical of the war.

This latest proposal was able to get through because Republicans said they didn't want to block an appropriations bill needed for the war.

"I think the sooner we can get this bill ... down to the president for veto, we can get serious about passing a bill that will get money to the troops," said Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.

Democrats acknowledge they do not have enough support in Congress to override Bush's veto, but say they will continue to ratchet up the pressure until he changes course.

The looming showdown was reminiscent of the GOP-led fight with President Clinton over the 1996 budget, which caused a partial government shutdown that lasted 27 days. Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., the House speaker at the time, eventually relented but claimed victory because the bill represented a substantial savings over the previous year's spending.

Bush said the money is needed by mid-April or else the troops will begin to run out of money, but some Democrats say the real deadline is probably closer to June.

Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the House Defense Appropriations Committee Thursday that a delay in funding would have a chain reaction that could keep units in Iraq longer than planned.

If the bill is not passed by May 15, he said the Army will have to cut back on reserve training and equipment repairs, possibly delaying the formation of new Army units to relieve those deployed.

Shortly before the final vote, the Senate agreed 98-0 to add $1.5 billion for mine-resistant vehicles for Marines, and 93-0 to aid a program to track down convicted sex offenders.

Members also agreed 96-1 to prohibit funds in the bill to be used for spinach farmers. The vote was orchestrated by Republicans to target some of the extra spending added to the bill by Democrats; while the Senate bill didn't include any funding for spinach growers, the House measure contained $25 million.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 29 Mar, 2007 10:08 am
Damn straight.

I'd like to remind Republicans who are here that it is Bush's fault that the troops don't get funding, if he vetoes the bill, and even more so, because he didn't include this money - that they knew they would need - in the regular budget request, so they could claim to have cut the deficit by more money. THis is the result of the president trying to look good, nothing more.

Cycloptichorn
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Thu 29 Mar, 2007 10:29 am
Bit by bit, the momentum for withdrawal builds....
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 10:28 am
FOCUS | Report: Funding for War Not as Urgent as Bush Claims
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/033107Y.shtml
The US Army has enough money on hand to finance the Iraq War through most of July, according to a congressional study that challenges President George W. Bush's assertions that an infusion of funds is needed more urgently.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 11:53 am
Re: Senate approves bill forcing Iraq troop withdrawal 51-47
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Senate approves war spending bill forcing Iraq troop withdrawal, despite veto threat
ANNE FLAHERTY - AP
March 29, 2007

WASHINGTON ?- Senate Democrats ignored a veto threat and pushed through a bill Thursday requiring President Bush to start withdrawing troops from "the civil war in Iraq," dealing a rare, sharp rebuke to a wartime commander in chief.

In a mostly party line 51-47 vote, the Senate signed off on a bill providing $122 billion to pay for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It also orders Bush to begin withdrawing troops within 120 days of passage....


Ummmm, where are all these analysts on TV who were telling us with total certainty that this bill didn't have a CHANCE of passing the Senate?

When the bill passed the House, that's all we heard from them: You'll never get it through the Senate, you'll never get it through the Senate.....
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TTH
 
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Reply Sat 31 Mar, 2007 03:01 pm
This should be interesting. I want to see if the President is going to veto the bill.
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TTH
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 12:26 am
Getting close to the date. It will be interesting to see what the President does. I hope he does exactly what he said and vetoes that bill. Imagine that, a politician doing exactly what they said they would do.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 07:55 am
Congress, the democrats that is, made it's statement to satisfy it's constituency and now since there is no other choice, Bush holds all the cards. It is time to forge legislation that Dumbo will sign and fund the troops. Like it or not short of impeachment we are stuck with that catastrophe in the White House for almost 2 more years.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 10:31 am
TTH wrote:
Getting close to the date. It will be interesting to see what the President does. I hope he does exactly what he said and vetoes that bill. Imagine that, a politician doing exactly what they said they would do.


It will run the troops out of money if he does.

Which is fine with me.

Cycloptichorn
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 10:44 am
The President does not hold all the cards. The Congress and the President have equal power when it comes to not funding the troops. Either side can block funding and it is a battle to see what the them will back down and how much.

The big battle is who the American people will blame, which is why you are seeing increasing PR efforts from all sides. Who get's the scorn of the American people is the all important question.

But, I don't think it will come down to a game of chicken with the troops.

The Democrats have an option that I am pretty sure they will take... and it gives them the upper hand.

After Bush vetos the bill (and is forced to face the anger of many Americans with this issue being plastered on everyones TV screens for another week). And, after Republican Congressmen are forced to attach their careers to the war in a national spectacle again...

The Congress going to come back with a new bill, that has no strings... but only has money for 2 or 3 months.

This keeps the issue on the front burner and in 2 or 3 months there will be more pressure on Republican Congressmen... a couple of whom will be forced to change their minds. Then we will go through the excersize again which will result in another 2 or 3 months of funding.

Again the key here is pressure. The Republicans don't want to go into 2008 with the country focussed on the struggle to end this increasingly unpopular war.

The Democrats will bend... but will keep on the pressure until there are enough Republicans who are compelled (by reason or by political survival) to break a veto.

This is my prediction of what will happen. This is also what I think is the best course of action for a Democratic controlled Congress facing an ever stubborn Bush administration.
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HokieBird
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 10:59 am
Most Americans (including Democrats and Independents) trust our military commanders more than members of Congress to decide when United States troops should leave Iraq.

Most also support fully funding the troops.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 11:01 am
Are you just saying this... or do you have some reason for believing that the polls, and the results of last November's election are wrong.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 11:03 am
HokieBird wrote:
Most Americans (including Democrats and Independents) trust our military commanders more than members of Congress to decide when United States troops should leave Iraq.

Most also support fully funding the troops.


I wonder if most Americans know that our military commanders, including the Joint Chiefs of staff and the Generals who were in Iraq, opposed this so-called 'surge' from the beginning; and so Bush replaced the ones who wouldn't change their minds. The whole 'trust the military commanders' angle is BS when the politicos just put in whatever military commander agrees with them.

I want the troops to leave, but I also support fully funding them. The two are not a mutually exclusive position. If Bush won't see reason, and cutting funding is the only choice, so be it.

Cycloptichorn
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 11:05 am
Most Americans support fully funding the withdrawal of the troops.
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TTH
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 11:07 am
HokieBird wrote:
Most Americans (including Democrats and Independents) trust our military commanders more than members of Congress to decide when United States troops should leave Iraq.

Most also support fully funding the troops.

I agree
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 11:13 am
Well, I count 2.

To make "most Americans", you will need about 150,000,000 more Wink
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 11:22 am
I just checked the latest polls... one result I found a bit surprising. But here they are.

64% of Americans (that is most Americans) think that the US should set a timetable for withdrawal sometime in 2008. 34% think the US should not set a timetable (the rest aren't sure or didn't answer).

57% of Americans (that is most Americans) think that Congress should have the final say on troop levels (as opposed to the president). 35% say the president should have the final say, and 8% said both should have the final say.

56% of Americans don't want Congress to withhold funding if Bush refuses to accept a timetable. 36% of Americans want Congress to withhold funding.

That last result did surprise me a little bit (I thought it would be less than 50%). But with the first two results... This means that most Americans don't want a standoff between Congress and the Whitehouse... even though they think Congress should have the final say, and they do want a timetable for withdrawal next year.

This is why I think the 2 or three month funding bill that will come after the Bush veto is the correct strategy. Keep the pressure on the Republicans who support this war that more and more Americans don't support-- and keep it on the front pages until 2008, when most Americans get the real chance to express their opinions in a way that really matters.
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TTH
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 11:54 am
I agree that the military commanders should be trusted and I never said we should not leave. I think telling the enemy "when" we are leaving is not a smart move.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 11:57 am
Bush is the Commander in Chief which means he is the boss of the military commanders. The commanders who disagree with Bush are "reassigned".

Saying that you trust the military commanders is exactly the same as saying you trust Bush.

The majority of Americans clearly do not trust Bush.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 03:04 pm
Brown

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56% of Americans don't want Congress to withhold funding if Bush refuses to accept a timetable. 36% of Americans want Congress to withhold funding.


There is your answer to why Bush holds the winning hand. No matter how they feel and what they believe the American public under no circumstance will stand for the shortchanging of our troops. And I would place that percentage at 90%
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