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Another Democrat promise gone.

 
 
Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 08:13 am
Hoyer Won't Rule Out Extending War Vote

By: Josephine Hearn
March 22, 2007 06:51 AM EST


When Democrats were in the minority, they lambasted Republican tactics on the House floor, reserving particular vitriol for the GOP practice of holding votes open longer than the allotted time in order to round up enough support for victory.

Now in the majority and facing their first close vote with the $124 billion wartime spending bill, House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) is leaving open the possibility that Democrats might extend the vote beyond the usual 15 minutes.

Asked Wednesday night whether Democrats would keep to the time limit, Hoyer paused, then pointed out that many votes can run a few minutes longer for various reasons. Pressed further by a reporter who pointed out that Democrats themselves had often criticized Republicans on this very point, Hoyer said, "It won't be open three hours. How about that?"

"How about 30 minutes?" the reporter asked.

"I won't guarantee it," Hoyer replied.

On their first day in the majority in January, Democrats amended the House rules to mandate that a vote "shall not be held open for the sole purpose of reversing the outcome of such vote."

Under earlier GOP rule, Democrats routinely attacked Republicans for extending the voting time, often citing the 2003 vote on the Medicare prescription drug bill that was famously held open three hours. And Hoyer himself was one of their foremost critics.

In a July 8, 2004, news release, Hoyer railed against GOP leaders for extending a 15-minute vote to 38 minutes in order to defeat a spending amendment offered by former Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).

"House Republican leaders proved once again today that they will stop at virtually nothing to win a vote, even if that means running roughshod over the most basic principles of democracy such as letting members vote their conscience and calling the vote after the allotted time has elapsed," Hoyer said.

"They ought to be ashamed of themselves, but when it comes to holding votes open and twisting the arms of their own members they clearly have no shame,'' he went on. "These back-alley tactics have no place in the greatest deliberative body in the world. They might be the lifeblood of the tin-horn dictator, but not a world leader. It's an embarrassment."
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 08:28 am
Wasn't there an issue in the 2000 election where they tried to get the vote count times extended? The main reason the USSC said that the votes were final and that the law had to be followed as to when counts were to be completed.
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Asherman
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 10:11 am
Well, we've listened to interminable complaints about this Administration's ruining the nation by running the National Debt to astronomical levels. They never seem to have believed that a war can be fought without casualties and the money to maintain an effective military. They've whined about Intelligence failures, but are quick to hamstring those operations by pinching pennies. Its been frustrating, but now the Democrats control the Congress by a narrow margin.

The size of the National Debt must no longer an issue, because this Congress is proposing unbelievable increases in governmental spending. Of course, no Democrat would expect to benefit from Pork. LOL. The most radical of the Congressional Democrats would prefer big expenditures for social engineering and political correctness, to minimal spending to keep our military in the field against an enemy whose explicit goal is the destruction of the United States and infidels everywhere. They've become so addicted to obstruction and defamation that a challenge to Executive Privilege is a higher priority than actually doing the business of Congress.

Perhaps now the left-wing rhetoric will chill on the National Debt, Pork and, in the fullness of time, how all national political figures MUST be saintly public servants who would never take advantage of the privileges that come with power. Naw, they are so self-deluded by their hatreds that they won't change at all. They'll run hypocritical and negative campaigns slandering/libeling the GOP, conservatives, and even one another.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 10:16 am
I certainly won't stop trying to get taxes raised and the crooks who are currently in office arrested and jailed for their crimes. Never.

See, ash, when you lie to people over, and over, and over again, they stop trusting you. That's what Bush did to me and the rest of the country, and payback time is coming quick.

Cycloptichorn
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 10:19 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I certainly won't stop trying to get taxes raised and the crooks who are currently in office arrested and jailed for their crimes. Never.

See, ash, when you lie to people over, and over, and over again, they stop trusting you. That's what Bush did to me and the rest of the country, and payback time is coming quick.

Cycloptichorn


Be honest at least. You never trusted Bush because he was a Republician. It didn't matter what he said, you already didn't trust him. So the fact that you claimed he lied and lied had nothing to do with it.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 10:21 am
Baldimo wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I certainly won't stop trying to get taxes raised and the crooks who are currently in office arrested and jailed for their crimes. Never.

See, ash, when you lie to people over, and over, and over again, they stop trusting you. That's what Bush did to me and the rest of the country, and payback time is coming quick.

Cycloptichorn


Be honest at least. You never trusted Bush because he was a Republician. It didn't matter what he said, you already didn't trust him. So the fact that you claimed he lied and lied had nothing to do with it.


What the f*ck do you know, Baldi?

I voted for Bush in 2000 and voted Republican in 2002. It wasn't until they started lying leading up to Iraq that I questioned, loudly, 'what about OBL???? For god's sake!' When I saw Bush say 'we're no longer concerned with Bin Laden,' I knew something was rotten. And I was right.

Don't give me that 'you're a partisan' bullsh*t. You know as well as I do that it has been lie after lie with these guys, all in the name of 'protecting you.' It's the ultimate nanny state, the thing you all claim to hate. But you just keep lapping it up.

Cycloptichorn
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Asherman
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 10:32 am
Oh yeah! Run on the promise to raise everyone's taxes. To make that "palatable" you might promise that anyone making under $15K/year is exempt from the income tax, and will receive a $2000 refund check each year until they top $20K/year. Will you be up-front about the basic policy of redistributing the wealth as a means of making our system more socialistic? Sure, that ought to buy you a whole lot of votes across the country.

No expenditures or taxes to support the military during a time when the nation is under attack by extra-national terrorists, but run up the National Debt to advance your political dreams of Utopia. What's Obama and Hillaries take on raising taxes, and increasing the Budget to support "needed" social causes instead of providing national security.
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Asherman
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 10:54 am
I am a GOP partisan and a conservative. I believe that entrusting the Nation's future to the Utopian schemes of whiners on the Left would be both dangerous and a disaster for our country. On the other hand, I also believe that there are responsible thinking individuals in most political parties. People, regardless of the political identity and philosophy, all remain people subject to all the good and bad qualities that our species in known for. I don't expect that everyone of any political stripe is ALL good, or ALL bad.

You can't seem to get beyond name calling and seeing Republicans, conservatives and this administration as stereotypes. What you call thugs and thieves, others see the finest military organization in the history of the world whose discipline and humanitarian values puts our enemy to shame. You seem to think that all Republicans are super-wealthy gangsters, or mentally defective. You are quick to label a complex world in bright and absolute colors that suit your personal ideas of right and wrong. In that thin world, there are no honest mistakes nor accidents, but everything must be explained in terms of devious conspirators plotting, always plotting. Yep, I'm partisan, but you, your partisanship consists only of self-delusion justifying your need to hate and slander.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 10:56 am
in your second sentence you refer to the left as whiners but cyclo can't get beyond name calling and sterotypes. Laughing Are you sure you're a buddhist? Because you sound like an evangelical....
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 10:59 am
Good thing that no one gives a damn what Bush supporters such as yourself say any longer, Ash, as you've been proven to be on the wrong side of so many issues.

You state that

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What you call thugs and thieves, others see the finest military organization in the history of the world whose discipline and humanitarian values puts our enemy to shame.


All this shows is the depth of your intellectual dishonesty. I was of course referring to the political leadership, not the military, as you knew but instead chose to take a cheap shot at my patriotism - a not unique tactic by those of your bent.

Your failure to address any of the moral problems evidenced by your leadership robs you of any and all authority on matters political. In 2006, your party suffered the worst mid-term loss of any part in history, and there's zero reason to believe that '08 will be any different.

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You seem to think that all Republicans are super-wealthy gangsters, or mentally defective


Not all of them; just ones such as yourself, buddy. And I certainly am under no illusions that you are super- anything except for perhaps -dense and -gullible.

Cycloptichorn
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Asherman
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 11:32 am
If you have evidence of theft, then produce it so that the accused can be tried in a proper court of law. There is no crime of "thuggery". If that means the willingness to use military force on behalf of the nation's interests, then most U.S. Presidents were "thugs", regardless of their Party affiliation. Even the saintly President Carter was willing to secretly send U.S. troops into a sovereign nation during peacetime to conduct a military operation; Jimmy Carter ... war-mongering thug ... absolute nonsense, of course.

Frankly, I don't know how patriotic you are, nor is it my place to judge. It is evident though that you blindly hate conservatives, Republicans, and those who disagree with you and the purity of your ideals. You somehow seem to think our government should place your notions of ethics and morality above their Constitutional responsibilities and duty. That is very hypocritical, when you refuse to see or admit the faults, errors, corruption, greed, and self-serving of those whose words resonate with your selective idealism.

You call me a mentally defective gangster, but I'll not go down that path. You see, I don't have a similar opinion about your values or behavior. I think you are sincere, but blinded by your hatreds and unwillingness to accept that people are a mass of complex and often contradictory opinion. I harbor no illusion that you will change, but your delusions are what will continue to defeat your icons at the polls because most Americans, I believe are more open and fair-minded than the radical left.

BTW, The GOP "suffered the worst mid-term loss of any party in history"? You really need to take a look backward into our political history. In the last election the Democrats won a number of Congressional seats, but none of those victories were by wide-margins. The successful Democrats tended to be moderates, not the from the radical left wing of the Party who have been most vocal in their criticism of the Administration. The Democratic Congress, even now appears unwilling to radically change the course of the War on Terrorism in ways that would please A2K critics. In the Senate, the Democrats have the thinnest of margins.

Cyclops, lets stop the personal bickering. We should be above that sort of thing, even if our political philosophies are so far apart.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 11:37 am
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I don't know how patriotic you are, nor is it my place to judge

would have done well to have stopped there, too much to ask for it seems.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 02:50 pm
So, they attach a lot of pork to spending bills, they extend votes, they appoint unethical members to important committee positions... what else have they done to spread the corruption in D.C.? Oops, I mean stop the spread, that's what they promised wasn't it?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 04:29 pm
Asherman
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They'll run hypocritical and negative campaigns slandering/libeling the GOP, conservatives, and even one another.
. Yep, some smart ass Dem must have been keeping notes about how the GOP Congress managed its reign since 1994.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 22 Mar, 2007 06:29 pm
Asherman wrote:
What you call thugs and thieves, others see the finest military organization in the history of the world whose discipline and humanitarian values puts our enemy to shame.


Shocked It would never occur to me equate our politicians with our military. The fact that they are blurred for you is disturbing.
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