CHRISTIAN DECEIT

I will use homosexuality as a prime example. Kids are being taught today that homosexuality is a fine thing in society when there are lots of families out there that don't think it is. Most of you see this teaching as fine because it goes with what you believe. How do you justify social engineering being taught in schools as ok when not everyone believes the same thing?

ebrown_p wrote:

Baldimo wrote:

How do you justify social engineering being taught in schools as ok when not everyone believes the same thing?

Are you making the claim that homosexuality should be treated the same as Christianity in the schools?

Any type of social engineering should be treated in school as religion is.

but religion is social engineering.

The basics of each religion can be taught in a few days each.

i more or less agree with you here. getting a solid understanding of the nuances takes longer don't you think?


You don't need to make the children dress up in Muslim outfits and have them take Muslim names. That is unfair treatment of religions because they won't do the same for other religions.

kinda. depends where you live, i guess. in l.a., many areas have people from a number of different religions.

it does seem a little over the top, again depending on how old the kids are. grade school age, ehhh, could be fun for them. and islam and orthodox judaism have far more rules regarding clothing and such than christianity, reformed judaism or buddhism.

come to think of it, sufis have some rules about that stuff too.

They [the valedictorians] aren't speaking for the school but are asked to give their own speechs and every year we hear the students are prevented from talking about how God had an influence in their lives.

The religious right seems to think that unless they can turn any public gathering into a Sunday-go-to-meetin', they are being politically oppressed.

I don't look at this as Christian vs. nonchristian (as sometimes Baldimo and some on the left do).

eBrown wrote:

I don't look at this as Christian vs. nonchristian (as sometimes Baldimo and some on the left do).

I don't think this really breaks down into a Christian vs non-Christian thing. I think it has to do with the fact that public discourse in this country used to be possible without God and religion being dragged into it in every conceivable way. Back in the forties, more people used to go to church than do now, percentagewise. Yet if you go back to the political speeches being made back then, religion was barely mentioned. People realized that faith and worship had a time and place.

Now, everywhere you look, somebody is screaming that because they can't erupt into prayer in the middle of school classes, supermarkets, and zoning board meetings, they are being systematically suppressed.

Baldimo wrote:

I will use homosexuality as a prime example. Kids are being taught today that homosexuality is a fine thing in society when there are lots of families out there that don't think it is. Most of you see this teaching as fine because it goes with what you believe. How do you justify social engineering being taught in schools as ok when not everyone believes the same thing?

If it were "allowed" there would be "lots of families out there" that think Blacks or Orientals or some other ethnic groups were not so fine.

This is just one more battle to stop ignorant people like you from trying to deny normal decent people from having as normal a life as anyone else.

What is a normal life now a days? They can live their lifes just fine but that doesn't mean the schools have to teach about the homosexual life style. Most of you don't agree with the Christian religion and that is your right, but to not teach it because it teaches a different set of values then what you hold is not good enough. Many families don't agree with homosexuality but you think that is ok to teach. How about we avoid both subjects and just teach our children to read, write do math, and science. Leave the morals to be taught at home.

If we teach one set of morals then we should teach the other set so that we have some even handedness in the schools.

which begs the question about how religious right proponents would react if the speaker were doing the anti-war thing.

Most of us know things are afoot in the spiritual realm including a major battle for the souls of the children. From the once-famous Smurfs and their "delightfully innocent" spells used by witches worldwide through the Harry Potter fiasco, it's a given that Satan (from the Hebrew Ha Satan; the adversary or accuser) is up to no good. Children have been brainwashed by such fantasies as the Wizard of Oz, with its bad witches and "good" witches, for decades. That movie was shown repeatedly last July 4th weekend and during the Christmas holiday season. Think it was a fluke? I don't.

According to the American Family Association of Michigan (AFAM), a middle school principal in Midland promised that the school newspaper wouldn't include articles that encourage students (11 through 13) to participate in and experiment with witchcraft. That was because a student wrote an article for the winter 2005 issue of the school paper titled "Good Witch or Bad Witch?" Evidently, his aunt is a Wiccan witch and he chose to experiment with "this religion and see if this is the way for me." [1]

but to not teach it because it teaches a different set of values then what you hold is not good enough. Many families don't agree with homosexuality but you think that is ok to teach.

Baldimo wrote:

What is a normal life now a days? They can live their lifes just fine but that doesn't mean the schools have to teach about the homosexual life style. Most of you don't agree with the Christian religion and that is your right, but to not teach it because it teaches a different set of values then what you hold is not good enough. Many families don't agree with homosexuality but you think that is ok to teach. How about we avoid both subjects and just teach our children to read, write do math, and science. Leave the morals to be taught at home.

If we teach one set of morals then we should teach the other set so that we have some even handedness in the schools.

Schools should teach children, as a matter of course, that you do not discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation, just as schools should teach that you don't discriminate against people on the basis of creed, color, ethnic origin, etc.

It's as simple as that.