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If the US ends up withdrawing from Iraq..

 
 
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 03:19 pm
than
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 04:11 pm
mm wrote: That seems fair.
Dems started the war in Vietnam,then blamed it on the repubs.
So,it seems only fair that the repubs return the favor.



Prove this statement.
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rabel22
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2007 12:01 am
MM
Yes. Prove your statement.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2007 08:13 pm
Here it starts...

Strike Democratic Ohio Governor Strickland from the list of politicians I respect.

Quote:
Strickland explains comments on Iraqi refugees

Dayton Daily News
February 20, 2007

Gov. Ted Strickland has learned that when the governor of Ohio speaks, the country listens, even editorial writers at USA Today.

An editorial in that newspaper on Monday blasted as "thoughtless" and "heartless" comments the Democratic governor made last week about President Bush's plan to relocate to the United States about 7,000 Iraqi refugees made homeless by the war. Editorials in several Ohio newspapers also blistered Strickland.

Strickland said that the Associated Press had quoted him correctly but that "I didn't say it as I probably should have said it." The quote: "I think Ohio and Ohioans have contributed a lot to Iraq in terms of blood, sweat and too many tears. I am sympathetic to the plight of the innocent Iraqi people who have fled the country. However, I would not want to ask Ohioans to accept a greater burden than they already have borne for the Bush administration's failed policies."

Strickland said that he spoke just after reading that the total number of refugees from the war is 2½ to 3 million people and growing, and that accepting just 7,000 seemed to be "political cover" for President Bush and his failed policies.

Strickland's new position: If some Iraqi refugees come to Ohio, they would be welcome.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 03:50 pm
This thread question is addressed in today's LATimes op-ed section-LINK

quoting from the article -

How to stop genocide in Iraq
Offering the carrot of U.S. withdrawal may be the best way to end ethnic cleansing in Iraq.
By Samantha Power, SAMANTHA POWER, a professor at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government, is the author of the Pulitzer Prize-winning " 'A Problem From Hell': America and the Age of Genocide."
March 5, 2007


THOSE WHO SUPPORT remaining in Iraq increasingly can be heard invoking the specter of genocide as grounds for staying. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) warned that, if U.S. troops leave, "You'll see a bloodletting in Baghdad that makes Srebrenica look like a Sunday school picnic."

Some defenders of President Bush's approach, having backed the Iraq war from the start, have now settled on genocide warnings after each of their original justifications for being in Iraq ?- weapons of mass destruction, terrorism prevention, energy diversification, regional stabilization and democracy promotion ?- has crumbled one by one.

Other proponents of remaining in Iraq are not, in fact, looking to redeem their own faulty judgment. They are genuinely frightened that, as ferocious as the civil war there has become, a U.S. withdrawal could unleash an all-out slaughter. With increasing numbers of civilian corpses piling up every day, they have reason to worry.

Although critics of withdrawal do a masterful job of painting a grim picture of the apocalypse that awaits, they offer no account of how U.S. forces in Iraq will do more than preserve a status quo that is already deteriorating into wholesale ethnic cleansing. Although more than 115,000 U.S. troops have been in Iraq for the last four years, about 3.8 million Iraqis have fled their homes and at least 50,000 Iraqis are fleeing each month. It would be nice to think the surge of troops to Baghdad would help to staunch the flow. But with only one-third of the new troops on duty at any given time in a city of 6 million people, they will have no more success deterring the militias intent on carving out homogeneous Shiite or Sunni neighborhoods than U.S. forces have had to date. About 74% of Shiites polled and 91% of Sunnis ?- the people who have the most to fear from genocide ?- would like to see U.S. forces gone by the end of the year.

Unfortunately, many of those who favor a U.S. exit have recklessly waved off atrocity warnings or taken to blaming Iraqis for their plight. What is needed to stave off even greater carnage than we see today is neither assuming massacres won't happen nor suspending thought until the surge has demonstrably failed in six months ?- at which point other options may no longer be viable. Rather, we must announce our intention to depart and use the intervening months to prioritize civilian protection by pursuing a bold set of measures combining political pressure, humanitarian relocation and judicial deterrence.

First, although it has a familiar and thus unsatisfying ring to it, the most viable long-term route to preventing mass atrocities is to use remaining U.S. leverage to bring about a political compromise that makes Iraqi Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds feel economically stable, physically secure and adequately represented in political structures. This is consistent with the position of leading U.S. generals and the members of the bipartisan Iraq Study Group, who have stressed that there is no military solution to Iraq's meltdown and urged the administration, the Iraqis and regional players to reopen broad-ranging political negotiations.

Instead of simply lining up behind Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki's government in the hopes that it will one day decide to stop ethnic cleansing, recent withdrawal proposals in Congress use the leverage of the proposed redeployment to press Iraqis to reach a political solution. A plan put forth by Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has come under neoconservative fire for setting a target departure date, but it provides for flexibility to suspend the U.S. drawdown if Iraqis meet the key economic, political and security benchmarks they have committed to achieve this year. The plan would also retain some U.S. forces in Iraq and the region to help deter atrocities by sectarian militias and aggression from Iraq's neighbors.

However, if this political pressure fails and U.S. forces remain unable to stave off an ever-widening civil war, the U.S. should go further and announce its willingness to assist in the voluntary transport and relocation of Iraqi civilians in peril. If Iraqis tell us that they would feel safer in religiously homogenous neighborhoods, and we lack the means to protect them where they are, we should support and protect them in their voluntary, peaceful evacuation ?- a means, one might say, to preempt genocide in advance of our departure.

The administration must help secure asylum for those Iraqis ?- and there are millions who fit this bill ?- who have a "well-founded fear of persecution." At the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees' conference scheduled for April, which will be attended by Jordan, Iran, Iraq, Syria and the United States, the overburdened countries of first asylum (Syria is sheltering 1 million Iraqis; Jordan has taken in 700,000) must be persuaded to reopen their gates to fleeing Iraqis. And Western countries must dramatically expand the number of resettlement slots for Iraqis. Astoundingly, the U.S. took in just 202 Iraqis last year and, although the maximum for this year was recently raised to 7,000, this is still not sufficient.

Finally, if we are serious about preventing further sectarian horrors, the U.S. must send a clear signal to the militias and political leaders who order or carry out atrocities that they will be brought to justice for their crimes. That means offering belated U.S. support to the International Criminal Court, the only credible, independent body with the jurisdiction to prosecute crimes against humanity and genocide.

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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 04:07 pm
the us is not going to end up withdrawing from Iraq

the us is going to end up running away from Iraq carrying their dead and wounded and the rest of the world laughing.

and believe me it gives me no pleasure to say this as brits are equally committed. (until recently)
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 04:30 pm
I don't think so either. Mired in and getting more so...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 04:32 pm
osso, Good post. Unfortunately, the neocons are good at using "fear" in all its possible scenarios that they can create in the wee little brains. They don't ever admit they are wrong, and continue on a course for the past four years that has shown no progress, but instead has increased into a quagmire. They have no shame in sacrificing our men and women to a positive goal they can't even articulate - just more of the same while it gets worse for all concerned.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 25 May, 2007 03:20 pm
Kudos to Ted Kennedy; Richard Lugar; and the new Democratic-majority Congress. It's a start.

Quote:
More Visas for Iraqi Translators

May 25
Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - Congress has agreed to a tenfold increase in special immigrant visas for Iraqi and Afghan translators and interpreters, whose work with U.S. military personnel and diplomatic officials makes them targets for terrorist violence

The legislation approved by voice vote in the Senate late Thursday would authorize the issuance of 500 such visas a year over the next two years to translators. The government now issues 50 visas a year to translators who have worked a year for the U.S. military.

There's currently a nine-year backlog in acting on those eligible for U.S. admission.

"America has a fundamental obligation to help those brave Iraqis who put their lives on the line by working for our government," said Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., who sponsored the bill with Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., The House passed the measure earlier in the week. [..]

The bill is S. 1104

On the Net:

Congress: http://thomas.loc.gov/

Mind you, there's a distinct "drop of water on a hot plate" dimension here..

Quote:
But Kennedy and others also stressed that far more needs to be done to meet the needs of the millions of Iraqis who have been displaced by four years of fighting in the country.

An estimated 2 million Iraqis have fled the country because of the war and the sectarian violence while another 2 million have been displaced internally. The Bush administration, responding to criticism that it has ignored this refugee problem, recently announced it would issue 7,000 visas this year. Since the war began in 2003, less than 800 visas have gone to Iraqi refugees, 202 in 2006. [..]
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2007 10:29 pm
Now that Malaki said they can handle security by themselves even if the US pulls out, do you think that'll happen any time soon?
Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 03:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The US-Iraqi "status of forces" agreement has been months in the making, and today [Thursday] we are told that it's "almost" ready " but not quite. So what's the problem? Well, there are a few bones of contention between the "liberators" and the "liberated," the first being how long US forces will stay, and the second being the terms under which they will essentially continue their occupation. What this increasingly contentious issue between the Americans and the Iraqis reveals and underscores is just how far down the road to empire the US has traveled.

What is becoming readily apparent, even to this administration, is that the Americans are no longer wanted by any of the Iraqi factions: not the Sunnis, who hated us from the beginning, not the Shi'ites, who soon learned to hate us, and not even the Kurds, formerly our trusted compradors in the region and now sullenly resentful at having had their anti-Turkish campaign reined in by a joint effort of US and Iraqi forces.

President Bush has long disdained the very idea of setting a timetable for the withdrawal of US troops, but last month had the rug pulled out from under him " and John McCain " when Barack Obama went to Iraq and was greeted by the Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, who promptly endorsed Obama's call for a definitive timetable. The status of forces agreement has been demoted to the level of a "memorandum of understanding," so as not to require a vote by the US Congress, nevertheless it cannot avoid a vote in the Iraqi Parliament. That's what they mean by "exporting" democracy: It's the Iraqis who do the voting, while we just get to foot the bill.
http://antiwar.com/justin/
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2008 10:09 am
Iraq demands deadline for pullout of all US troops

By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 5 minutes ago

BAGHDAD - Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Monday no security agreement with the United States could be reached unless it included a "specific deadline" for the withdrawal of all American troops from Iraq.

Last week, U.S. and Iraqi officials said the two sides had agreed tentatively to a schedule which included a broad pullout of combat forces by the end of 2011 with a residual U.S. force remaining behind to continue training and advising the Iraqi security forces.

But al-Maliki's remarks Monday suggested that the Iraqi government is still not satisfied with that arrangement. An aide to the prime minister said Monday that Iraq remained adamant that the last American soldier must leave Iraq by the end of 2011 " regardless of conditions at the time.
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