North Korea agrees to nuclear disarmament

Don't hold your breath. The DPRK has a fifty year history of provocations, followed by obstinate "negotiations" that yield little, and finally they make some small concessions in return for rewards. The ink is never dry on such agreements before the DPRK fails to live up to its side of the bargain. They deny violations, and obstruct attempts at verification.

In this latest evolution of DPRK agreements, their nuclear weapons program will at the very best only go dormant for a brief period, while theoretical and covert engineering work goes on outside of public view. During what will probably be only a brief hiatus, the DPRK can be expected to work more closely with the Iranian nuclear weapons program to their mutual advantage. The DPRK does in fact have a serious need for fuel, but most of that fuel they get from us will go to the military. With increased fuel supplies, the capability of the DPRK to conduct more conventional war against the ROK goes way up.

Remember that the DPRK may not even deliver on its promise to shut down nuclear reactors (only a small, but necessary part of building a nuclear arsenal) sometime in April of this year. Beyond that, the DPRK hasn't agreed to anything but to prolong the talks that have already been going on for three years. When will the fuel and other quid pro quo begin flowing into the DPRK?

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For once, I agree with Asherman.

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Didn't we try this already back in the 90's? Isn't this how they were able to finance their program by fooling the Clinton admin into giving them money and oil?

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Didn't we try this already back in the 90's? Isn't this how they were able to finance their program by fooling the Clinton admin into giving them money and oil?

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Scientists still aren't sure if that was a nuclear bomb or just Kil Jong Il after a night of kim chi and Dom Perignon.

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Baldimo wrote:

Didn't we try this already back in the 90's? Isn't this how they were able to finance their program by fooling the Clinton admin into giving them money and oil?

The big difference this time is China has been instrumental in brokering the deal and should be the watch-dog.

Good job by the Bush Admin.

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woiyo, yeah good job Bushie. "Bush Uses Clinton's Approach to Secure Korean Accord"

By Janine Zacharia

Feb. 14 (Bloomberg) -- The accord struck by the U.S. and its partners to limit and eventually dismantle North Korea's nuclear program resembles one signed in 1994 by President Bill Clinton, a deal President George W. Bush denounced.

Bush, in his January 2003 State of the Union address, criticized the Clinton-negotiated Agreed Framework, saying Kim Jong Il's government all along ``was deceiving the world'' and developing nuclear weapons. Bush abandoned the deal in 2002 after North Korea admitted it had violated the accord, which offered energy aid for an end to the nuclear effort.

Since then, the U.S. has remained suspicious of any arrangement that would provide oil or other support to North Korea before Kim's dictatorship verifiably shut down the program. ``The North Koreans cheated'' on the 1994 agreement, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in October after North Korea tested a nuclear device.

Now, some argue, Bush has been forced to backtrack on some of his principles and adopt the Clinton approach because of the growing threat North Korea poses to U.S. national security interests after the October test-blast.

``We shouldn't pretend that this is a significant advance over the 1994 Agreed Framework,'' said Robert Einhorn, who was assistant secretary of state for nonproliferation under Clinton. The agreement ``defers most of the hard issues,'' he said.

Strange Bedfellows

The deal has created some strange bedfellows for Bush. Bill Richardson, a Democratic presidential candidate and former United Nations ambassador under Clinton, was among the first to praise the new accord, while Bush's most recent UN envoy, John Bolton, was one of the first to attack it.

Senator Christopher Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee, said this week's agreement ``looks very much'' like the Clinton deal.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ab9JMOlf93l0&refer=home

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blueflame1 wrote:

woiyo, yeah good job Bushie. "Bush Uses Clinton's Approach to Secure Korean Accord"

By Janine Zacharia

Feb. 14 (Bloomberg) -- The accord struck by the U.S. and its partners to limit and eventually dismantle North Korea's nuclear program resembles one signed in 1994 by President Bill Clinton, a deal President George W. Bush denounced.

Bush, in his January 2003 State of the Union address, criticized the Clinton-negotiated Agreed Framework, saying Kim Jong Il's government all along ``was deceiving the world'' and developing nuclear weapons. Bush abandoned the deal in 2002 after North Korea admitted it had violated the accord, which offered energy aid for an end to the nuclear effort.

Since then, the U.S. has remained suspicious of any arrangement that would provide oil or other support to North Korea before Kim's dictatorship verifiably shut down the program. ``The North Koreans cheated'' on the 1994 agreement, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in October after North Korea tested a nuclear device.

Now, some argue, Bush has been forced to backtrack on some of his principles and adopt the Clinton approach because of the growing threat North Korea poses to U.S. national security interests after the October test-blast.

``We shouldn't pretend that this is a significant advance over the 1994 Agreed Framework,'' said Robert Einhorn, who was assistant secretary of state for nonproliferation under Clinton. The agreement ``defers most of the hard issues,'' he said.

Strange Bedfellows

The deal has created some strange bedfellows for Bush. Bill Richardson, a Democratic presidential candidate and former United Nations ambassador under Clinton, was among the first to praise the new accord, while Bush's most recent UN envoy, John Bolton, was one of the first to attack it.

Senator Christopher Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee, said this week's agreement ``looks very much'' like the Clinton deal.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ab9JMOlf93l0&refer=home

Well the Bushwackers like Blueflame are never satisfied. These nitwits complain about GW useing unilateral approaches and when he uses multilateral approaches, you dumbells complain again.

It is somewhat different from the Clinton deal as Clinton actually gave them nuclear technology, while this deal is about cash and oil with benchmarks.

Maybe it will work and maybe it won't. Time will tell. What is obvious is nitwits like you complain just to complain.

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woiyo wrote:

Baldimo wrote:
Didn't we try this already back in the 90's? Isn't this how they were able to finance their program by fooling the Clinton admin into giving them money and oil?

The big difference this time is China has been instrumental in brokering the deal and should be the watch-dog.

Good job by the Bush Admin.

Yeah right, after six years of intransigence and a freshly minted nuke in the NKs pocket and we are now worse than where we were in late 2000.

For some that constitutes progress?

Only in Bizarro World.

btw: In case you're missing the Big Picture, Bush's dancing around on this for over half a decade just handed the Red Chinese a stack of bargining chips on trade and Taiwan.

Yeah, real good job.

China is the long term problem for America not NK, where their people eat dirt to survive.

The Chinese played Bush like a violin.

And the Right Wingers applaud it with goofy smiles on their faces.

Go figure.

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kuvasz wrote:

woiyo wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Didn't we try this already back in the 90's? Isn't this how they were able to finance their program by fooling the Clinton admin into giving them money and oil?

The big difference this time is China has been instrumental in brokering the deal and should be the watch-dog.

Good job by the Bush Admin.

Yeah right, after six years of intransigence and a freshly minted nuke in the NKs pocket and we are now worse than where we were in late 2000.

For some that constitutes progress?

Only in Bizarro World.

btw: In case you're missing the Big Picture, Bush's dancing around on this for over half a decade just handed the Red Chinese a stack of bargining chips on trade and Taiwan.

Yeah, real good job.

China is the long term problem for America not NK, where their people eat dirt to survive.

The Chinese played Bush like a violin.

And the Right Wingers applaud it with goofy smiles on their faces.

Go figure.

You forget from whom NK got the technology from to build those nukes.

That's right...your boy Bubba!

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woiyo wrote:

kuvasz wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Didn't we try this already back in the 90's? Isn't this how they were able to finance their program by fooling the Clinton admin into giving them money and oil?

The big difference this time is China has been instrumental in brokering the deal and should be the watch-dog.

Good job by the Bush Admin.

Yeah right, after six years of intransigence and a freshly minted nuke in the NKs pocket and we are now worse than where we were in late 2000.

For some that constitutes progress?

Only in Bizarro World.

btw: In case you're missing the Big Picture, Bush's dancing around on this for over half a decade just handed the Red Chinese a stack of bargining chips on trade and Taiwan.

Yeah, real good job.

China is the long term problem for America not NK, where their people eat dirt to survive.

The Chinese played Bush like a violin.

And the Right Wingers applaud it with goofy smiles on their faces.

Go figure.

You forget from whom NK got the technology from to build those nukes.

That's right...your boy Bubba!

Like Asherman's constant and erroneous statements that Clinton committed perjury you take Right Wing lies and exaggerations and think they're true.

So how about proving that Clinton gave nuclear technologies to the North Koreans ESPECIALLY those used by them to make nuclear bombs, or please kindly STFU.

You're a partisan hack whose rah-rah applaud to Bush for helping out the Chinese to the detriment to the US is actually mentally deranged and exhibits the discernment of someone with central nervous system of a one-celled animal.

It is beyond stupid, it is meta-stupid.

btw: I never voted for "Bubba."

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woiyo, FLASHBACK: Rumsfeld Sat On Board Of Company That Sold Nuclear Reactors To North Korea http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=16859

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2 Koreas to resume high-level talks By BO-MI LIM, Associated Press Writer
Thu Feb 15, 4:25 PM ET

SEOUL, South Korea - The two Koreas will hold talks late this month aimed at improving relations, a South Korean official said Thursday, the first sign of easing tensions between the countries after the North signed a nuclear disarmament agreement.

North Korea's top envoy to six-nation talks nuclear talks also said Pyongyang is ready to implement the accord reached earlier this week, Japan's Kyodo News agency reported.

"The talks went well," the agency quoted North Korean Vice Foreign Minister Kim Kye Gwan as saying after returning from Beijing. "We are ready to implement the results of the meeting."

The Cabinet-level talks between the two Koreas will be held in the North Korean capital, Pyongyang, from Feb. 27 to March 2, according to a statement adopted at a lower-level meeting Thursday in the North Korean border city of Kaesong.

South and North Korea have held 19 high-level meetings since 2000, but they have been suspended amid chilled relations following North Korea's missile launches in July and its nuclear test in October.

The meetings have served as a forum for discussing Seoul's aid to the impoverished North, and could lead to a resumption of the regular delivery of rice and fertilizer to the communist nation. South Korea suspended aid after the missile tests in July.

South Korean delegate Lee Kwan-se said the planned talks will help "advance reconciliation and cooperation between the South and the North, and promote peace on the Korean peninsula."

"The North side, just as we did, wanted to restore South-North relations and resume dialogue to discuss pending issues," Lee said, according to South Korean media reports.

The two Koreas remain technically at war since the 1950-53 Korean War ended in a cease-fire.

The disarmament pact reached Tuesday among the two Koreas, China, Japan, Russia and the United States is worth about $250 million in aid to the North.

It requires North Korea to seal its main nuclear reactor, allow international inspections and begin accounting for other nuclear programs within 60 days. In return, North Korea will receive 50,000 tons of heavy fuel oil, a down payment on a promised 1 million tons in oil or aid of a similar value if it ultimately disarms.

In Washington, the Bush administration sought to ease concern among conservatives that the deal goes too easy on North Korea.

White House press secretary Tony Snow said Thursday that one of President Bush's deputy national security advisers, Elliott Abrams, had questioned whether North Korea could be removed from a list of terror-sponsoring states under the agreement.

Snow said he had assured Abrams that would not happen unless the North changes its behavior. "The North Koreans don't get it for free," Snow said. "They've got to earn it, like everything else."

John Bolton, the former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, has also called the agreement "fundamentally flawed," saying it rewards the North for behaving badly. Bush dismissed Bolton's assessment, saying North Korea would receive no aid unless it lives up to its end of the deal.

North Korea, meanwhile, showed no sign of easing its harsh anti-U.S. rhetoric, with its No. 2 leader ordering soldiers and citizens to maintain a war posture to counter the threat of a military assault by Washington.

"We will mercilessly repel the aggressors and achieve reunification by mobilizing" in case of a U.S. attack, Kim Yong Nam warned Thursday in a speech to thousands of officials that was carried on North Korean state television and monitored in South Korea.

Such tough talk is not unusual and appears directed at North Koreans as they prepare to celebrate Kim Jong Il's 65th birthday Friday. North Korea regularly accuses the U.S. of planning an attack. U.S. officials say they have no such intention.

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