THIS is what should be of concern to christians.
Live in the present, not the past of dubious history.
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Study Finds 10,600 Children Abused by U.S. Priests
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - More than 10,600 children said they were molested by priests since 1950 in an epidemic of child sexual abuse involving at least 4 percent of U.S. Roman Catholic priests, two studies reported on Friday.
The two studies, which were commissioned by U.S. Catholic bishops in 2002, said the abuse peaked with the ordination class of 1970, from which one in 10 priests was eventually accused of abuse.
The abuse of children was a national health problem, said Robert Bennett of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops National Review Board.
"It's always bad when a child gets abused but when the abuser wears a collar, it's worse," said Bennett, who described the scandals involving the Catholic church as a crisis of trust and faith.
The report revealed that 10,667 children were allegedly victimized by 4,392 priests from 1950 to 2002, but said the figures depend on self-reporting by American bishops and were probably an undercount.
Scrat
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I think to Gibson it was a work of devotion, a "giving back" to the God he believes has given him so much.
The people who killed Jews in Europe felt the same "devotion"
And is Mel seeking redemption by foisting off this horror film disguised as a religious experience on the public? It's only a religious experience to those who want to ball their eyes out and seeing Christ turned into a tenderized flank steak.
I do agree that it is just a movie -- the media has picked it up as a rebirth of religious furvor. How transitory will that be?
au1929 wrote:George
The holocaust was caused [killing of the Jews] by the centuries of venom preached by the Catholic Church against the Jews and the Jewish religion. The holocaust was certainly not the first mass killing of Jews and if some have their way will not be the last. I should remind you that overtime the passion plays were put on in Europe it was murder the Jew time. IMO the Catholic church was indirectly or maybe directly responsible for the Holocaust and the Anti-Semitism that exists to this day.
Is the film Anti-Semitic in itself I suppose not? Will it incite anti-Semitism? Based on what has happened in the past, I would say yes.
au1929 wrote:Scrat
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I think to Gibson it was a work of devotion, a "giving back" to the God he believes has given him so much.
The people who killed Jews in Europe felt the same "devotion"
Are you actually implying that Christianity is the root of cause of the holocaust?
Christianity = Holocaust. Logical?
McGentrix
Of course it is. Why are you surprised? I think European History 101 would help your understanding immeasurably
So you don't think Hitler had anything to do with that? Oh, wait! Because hitler was a christian, christianity was behind the whole thing...
McGentrix
You seem to have little depth of understanding. The Catholic Church had laid the groundwork and established an environment where persecution and killing of Jews was acceptable.
Hitler holocaust was just the last of a long line of lesser holocausts. I will help you out with a few. Spanish and Italian inquisitions, pogroms in Russia and the Crusades. Yes, the Crusades when they traveled thru Europe it was sport to kill Jews. All these were religiously inspired and condoned.
Scrat
Why, is the truth uncomfortable? Why you latched specifically on the holocaust I don't know. Is it perhaps that you can lay all the blame on Hitler and let it go at that. Who do you suppose fostered the enviorment that made killing of Jews acceptable.. The Holocaust was only a small part of the history of the Jews in Europe. Religiously inspired persecution, massacres, burnings and expulsions were ongoing in Europe for at least 1000 years before the last assault.
I am certainly beneath contempt.
Lightwizard wrote:I am certainly beneath contempt.
Hmmm....I will ponder this as well.
Besides being almost beyond words.
My, my! Such a lot of hostility here. I can't imagine Mel Gibson meant to inspire such antagonism when he created his film, could he?
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Too dwell for two hours on the torture of a person is not very cool. Seems to have the flavor of a South American snuff film.
It is a strange country that finds nothing wrong with taking children to watch two hours of unrelenting torture
and becomes hysterical at a one second showing of a woman' breast.
As for the message, it has changed a message of love, redemption and hope, into a message of hatred.
I'm not sure how anyone can "enjoy" watching a movie with two hours of sadist treatment on one individual.
Ever watch a video game? Seen any other movies?
au1929 wrote:Scrat
Why, is the truth uncomfortable? Why you latched specifically on the holocaust I don't know. Is it perhaps that you can lay all the blame on Hitler and let it go at that. Who do you suppose fostered the enviorment that made killing of Jews acceptable.. The Holocaust was only a small part of the history of the Jews in Europe. Religiously inspired persecution, massacres, burnings and expulsions were ongoing in Europe for at least 1000 years before the last assault.
Actually it started with the Egyptians. Pagan Rome destroyed Israel, not Christianity.
If the standard of guilt is 'fostering an environment in which crimes are possible' then we are all quite guilty, including the Jews of Israel.
There were numerous slaughters of people in the two millemnia of European history after Rome, and those of the Jews, while inexcusable, were hardly the only or the worst ones. Alaric's slaughter in Rome in (I believe) the third century was the equal (relatively) of any of the progroms inflicted on the Jews of Europe. The Thirty Years War visited terrible suffering on the people of Germany and the Empire, both Catholic and Protestant. In the mid 19th century Ireland was a net exporter of food during all of four years of famine in which approximately five million people either starved to death or emigrated (about equal numbers) under quite terrible conditions. Victimhood is not the exclusive posession of any people.
