Mel Gibson's The Passion, sparking concern from the ADL.

Regardless of belief, Jesus existed and those things happened to him.

There has been, over the years, such an outpouring of anti religiousness in movies, newspapers and on t.v. by the media who don't live in the 'flyover' states that they seem to have forgotten the LARGE number of us that still have our faith, that still attend church regularly and still believe that God is the central pillar of our lives.

That's right Scrat, after your acid appeal to a distinction between fact and opinion in LW's posts, be sure not to pass up the opportunity to tar a characiture of "liberal America" with as broad a brush as possible.

Just as much as i love "conservative hypocricy." For someone who usually posts in a fair-minded manner, Fedral, i'm rather surprised by this post from you.

Scrat, Most (or the majority) christians thought the world was flat once upon a time.

Yes you can!

Ow, my ears!

Kirsten seems to prefer that because I'm tired of a subject that I should tune out completely rather than stay informed of other opinions etc.

And I am angry at the number of times I just lumped in with:

All Christians

All Right wingers

All Republicans

All Conservatives

All gun owners

All pro military people.


I have many views on many subjects, some of which do and other views that do NOT agree with one or more of the above groups and yet I get thrown 'in with the mob' and ignored as 'one of them'

It is very frustrating to be on the receiving end of that 'tar brush' and sometimes we level headed people just SNAP

Pastor says 'Jews killed Jesus' sign isn't hateful

Nationwide outrage erupts over message at Denver church

By Jean Torkelson and Brian D. Crecente, Rocky Mountain News
February 26, 2004

A church sign that said "Jews killed the Lord Jesus" ignited a national firestorm of outrage Wednesday and packed the church parking lot with a religiously diverse crowd of protesters.

The message didn't survive the day.

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At noon a mother of four leaned a ladder against the sign and pulled down the word "Jew."

By 9 p.m. members of the church had removed the rest.

The Rev. Maurice Gordon of Lovingway United Pentecostal Church, 999 S. Colorado Blvd., said the message on the sign was not hateful.

"It would be hateful if it pointed at anybody alive today," Gordon said. "But this has been part of the record for 2,000 years."

The 73-year-old pastor said the message was meant to get people to read the Bible. But it provoked other reactions.

Angry calls flooded radio stations, and some motorists careened across the boulevard, not believing what they were seeing.

"People were pulling three lanes over to get a look," said Jennifer Patrick, a surgical assistant who works in an office facing the church.

About noon, Ami Ship drove to the church to see if the sign really said what she thought it said.

After knocking on the doors of the church and calling to try to get someone to take the sign down, Ship decided to do it herself.

She drove across the street to a Home Depot and bought a ladder and took down "Jew."

"I thought, 'I don't want to see the sign anymore.' " Ship said. "Hateful messages like that promote anti-Semitism. It was very offensive."

The incident occurred against the backdrop of Wednesday's opening of Mel Gibson's movie, The Passion of the Christ, which chronicles the last 12 hours of Jesus' life. It has drawn charges of anti-Semitism.

Gordon said he was partly motivated by Gibson's movie, but added he would not be seeing the film itself because he neither attends movies nor watches television.

The United Pentecostal Church International, headquartered in Hazelwood, Mo., said in a statement it did not condone Gordon's action.

The "decision was made without support or contribution from the United Pentecostal Church International and does not reflect our position on this matter. We regret any offense his actions have caused . . . One of our constant prayers is to pray for Jerusalem and the Jewish people as the Lord has commanded us."

Earlier in the day, the Anti-Defamation League called on Gordon to remove the "painful and divisive message." And the Colorado Council of Churches said: "It's ironic that a church named Lovingway would advance such an attitude of hurtfulness."

Gordon's sign also prompted a response from the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center urging Christian leaders in Denver to rebuke the Lovingway church.

"The Jewish people have suffered from the libel of deicide for nearly 2,000 years," said a statement from Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the center. "We continue to look to our Christian neighbors and friends to rebuke those who would pass off this canard as theology."

The Simon Wiesenthal Center is one of the largest international Jewish human rights organizations in the world, with more than 400,000 member families in the United States, according to its Web site.

At 7 p.m. about 200 people, including Promise Keepers founder Bill McCartney, gathered in front of the Denver church to protest the sign.

The crowd of Jews and Christians waved signs with phrases like "God killed Jesus" written on them.

"This anti-Semitic message is un-Christian, and it is a sin," said Michael Walker, senior pastor at Church in the City. "That is false Christianity on that sign."

Nate Hyatt, Gordon's grandson, said that the sign's statement was probably bad timing.

"It's definitely not what we stand for," he said.

Gordon said he was prepared to take the sign down. "It probably served its purpose," he said.

And by 9 p.m. the message had been changed, now telling the roughly 60,000 motorists who pass it each day:

"God so loved the world that he gave

"He's still giving!"