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Why does the god of the Bible consider slavery to be moral??

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xingu
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 09:58 am
RexRed wrote:
neologist wrote:
xingu wrote:
. . . BTW, did your God at any time in the past demand human sacrifice?
No. Christ offered himself up willingly.


Interesting...

Not his own will but God's will he obeyed...

So that is still willingly but with a slight twist.

It was Jesus' willingness to disobey his own will (or legal nature) that saved him.


So your implying Jesus was not a God or God. Am I correct?

If he was not a God than his death would mean nothing as he would be 1 in millions killed for a criminal offense. The only thing resulting from Christ' death was the opportunity for Paul to use him to create a new religion. Otherwise nothing has changed. Humans still wage war and kill just as they did before Christ. The only difference, according to the Christians, is what happens in the supernatural world. Since no one can prove or disprove the supernatural world any one can make up anything they like about what happens there and no one can prove or disprove him/her.
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xingu
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 09:59 am
You know the Muslims may have something about that 72 virgins. Sounds a hell lot better than living in a city of gold.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 10:21 am
xingu, I've often wondered about how 'boring' heaven would be, and that's for eternity! 72 virgins sounds much better; at least we'll die with a smile on our face.
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xingu
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 10:28 am
Ya, and if your dealing in the supernatural you can make anything up you like.

How many times have I heard that liberals will go to Hell. And that's from conservative evangelical ministers. These guys are suppose to know all about the Bible, like all others on here who claim this or that about God.
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IFeelFree
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 10:41 am
xingu wrote:
Ya, and if your dealing in the supernatural you can make anything up you like.

How many times have I heard that liberals will go to Hell. And that's from conservative evangelical ministers. These guys are suppose to know all about the Bible, like all others on here who claim this or that about God.

Which just shows how pathetic religion has become. Most religious leaders are clearly not men/women of wisdom. It was completely obvious to me, even as a child, that mainstream institutionalized religion was lame. At the same time, I felt a connection with a spiritual dimension, some impulse to connect with something higher. For me, that took the form of alternative spirituality and meditation. It was apparent to me that direct spiritual experience, rather than faith, was the only sensible approach. If you can experience the peace and bliss within, that undercuts all arguments. It is not a matter of mental concepts or beliefs. It is about self-transformation.
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xingu
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 10:51 am
IFeelFree wrote:
xingu wrote:
Ya, and if your dealing in the supernatural you can make anything up you like.

How many times have I heard that liberals will go to Hell. And that's from conservative evangelical ministers. These guys are suppose to know all about the Bible, like all others on here who claim this or that about God.

Which just shows how pathetic religion has become. Most religious leaders are clearly not men/women of wisdom. It was completely obvious to me, even as a child, that mainstream institutionalized religion was lame. At the same time, I felt a connection with a spiritual dimension, some impulse to connect with something higher. For me, that took the form of alternative spirituality and meditation. It was apparent to me that direct spiritual experience, rather than faith, was the only sensible approach. If you can experience the peace and bliss within, that undercuts all arguments. It is not a matter of mental concepts or beliefs. It is about self-transformation.


That makes more sense to me than the Bible.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 10:54 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
xingu, I've often wondered about how 'boring' heaven would be, and that's for eternity! 72 virgins sounds much better; at least we'll die with a smile on our face.


It won't sound better once you get a look at the 72 virgins
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xingu
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 11:03 am
mesquite wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
xingu, I've often wondered about how 'boring' heaven would be, and that's for eternity! 72 virgins sounds much better; at least we'll die with a smile on our face.


It won't sound better once you get a look at the 72 virgins


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 11:35 am
xingu wrote:
neologist wrote:
xingu wrote:
. . . BTW, did your God at any time in the past demand human sacrifice?
No. Christ offered himself up willingly.


So 4,000 years ago Christ offered himself up?


No, roughly 2000 years ago Christ paid for our sins...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 11:40 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
xingu, I've often wondered about how 'boring' heaven would be, and that's for eternity! 72 virgins sounds much better; at least we'll die with a smile on our face.


You are comparing 72 virgins with spending time with God almighty?

Romans 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 11:50 am
mesquite wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
xingu, I've often wondered about how 'boring' heaven would be, and that's for eternity! 72 virgins sounds much better; at least we'll die with a smile on our face.


It won't sound better once you get a look at the 72 virgins
Laughing Laughing

I'd rather stay here. Thanks
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 11:58 am
mesquite wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
xingu, I've often wondered about how 'boring' heaven would be, and that's for eternity! 72 virgins sounds much better; at least we'll die with a smile on our face.


It won't sound better once you get a look at the 72 virgins


Maybe, that's the reason why they're still virgins. LOL
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xingu
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 01:39 pm
RexRed wrote:
xingu wrote:
neologist wrote:
xingu wrote:
. . . BTW, did your God at any time in the past demand human sacrifice?
No. Christ offered himself up willingly.


So 4,000 years ago Christ offered himself up?


No, roughly 2000 years ago Christ paid for our sins...


So before Christ and Romans no one paid for our sins. That's roughly 200,000 years. Now, all of a sudden, someone has to pay for our sins?

And why does someone have to pay for our sins. Who pays for God's sins, and God does sin mightely.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 01:51 pm
Yeah, god breaks all his own laws; thou shalt not kill (the biggy), love thy neighbor as thyself, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not commit adultery, so on and so forth...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 01:59 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Yeah, god breaks all his own laws; thou shalt not kill (the biggy), love thy neighbor as thyself, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not commit adultery, so on and so forth...


Have you personally "seen" God break his own laws? You seem to know enough about it... Shocked
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 02:07 pm
RR, All one needs to confirm that god kills is to read the bible. You have read about the world flood didn't you? It killed all the innocent people including pregnant women and children.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 02:09 pm
I see no clear "Biblical" directive to take slaves other than to civilize them and eventually grant them their freedom.

For we are all made of the same amount of spirit and if God does not favor one person over another in the body of Christ why should we? When we favor one person over another we are not acting in the image of God.

Yet even though our spiritual reality is one of equality the mental reality can fluctuate. For this reason people will bear others upon their backs until they can stand and walk on their own as upright citizens of the greater common.

Yet the old testament spiritual reality was different from the new testament spiritual reality. This not only confuses the lot of you but it seems unreal that a single man could alter all of our destinies with God to such a degree.

Had Christ not altered our spiritual reality with God then his self sacrifice was in vain.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 02:10 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
RR, All one needs to confirm that god kills is to read the bible. You have read about the world flood didn't you? It killed all the innocent people including pregnant women and children.


Yea, read and study the Bible but don't read your own intent into it...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 02:25 pm
I have explained to you how there are two gods in the Bible... the one true God and the false God of this world...

Now which "God" do you suppose caused the flood?

Now when I learned this my life suddenly changed but I have typed this to you many time and you seem to act as if you never heard it even once...

Give this some thought...

The devil was like a God to us.

This is why in the book of Job the devil has conversations with God.

It was not God talking to the devil but man mistaking the deeds of the devil for the deeds of God.

2Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2007 03:22 pm
xingu wrote:
neologist wrote:
xingu wrote:
. . . BTW, did your God at any time in the past demand human sacrifice?
No. Christ offered himself up willingly.


So 4,000 years ago Christ offered himself up?
Where did that number come from?
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