Was It Americas Fault

I think you are confused Madam...

The WTC was planned by conservatives who believe they are right, don't believe in diplomacy, support torture, and justify violence by demonizing their enemy, don't care about what the international community thinks, and believe that government should be based on religious values.

Bush is not responsible for the WTC (although the rhetoric the Bush uses about winning at any cost sounds familiar).

Bush, and a minority of American Conservatives (who surprisingly hold beliefs very similar to that of the terrorists) are responsible for the Iraq war including the deaths of thousands of American soldiers and ten's of thousands of Iraqi's

Bush is not America and America is not Bush. Just because Bush is responsible for thousands of deaths doesn't mean that America is responsible.

I am part of America and I have been opposing violence, by both Bush followers and the terrorist, from before 9/11 and the Iraq war.

Don't tarnish my country with the sins of a out of control president and his bankrupt philosophy. America is much more than this.

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Stocking up for tomorrow, madam? You did pretty good today, had several pissed off dems before noon time.

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Oops, I didn't make that first post clear, I meant the hit on the WTC in '93.
Oh well, how do you feel about that one brown?
I shouldn't tarnish your country?
It is the leftists of this country & the world that have blamed America, don't try throwing your leftist friends dirty water on me.

http://wwwnationalreview.com/15oct01/pj101501.shtml

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Butrflynet wrote:

Stocking up for tomorrow, madam? You did pretty good today, had several pissed off dems before noon time.

That's liberals, not necessairly dems. But hey, they can handle it, they're very good at dishing it out too, don'cha think?

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Re: Was It Americas Fault

LoneStarMadam wrote:

That the WTC was hit?

Only seems that way to guilt ridden libs that hate themselves and their own country. Don't ask me to explain the psychology involved. It isn't real complicated, but that would best be done on another thread.

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Your link didn't work, you might try again.

But again the WTC attack in 93 was done by terrorists with a conservative philosophy. They believed that since they were fighting an enemy they considered evil it justified acts that most of the world considers barbaric... especially since it would lead to the deaths of civilians.

The problem is conservatives Madam-- every country has them.

America needs to tolerate conservatives because it is a free country, but this doesn't mean it is America's fault.

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ebrown_p wrote:

Your link didn't work, you might try again.

But again the WTC attack in 93 was done by terrorists with a conservative philosophy. They believed that since they were fighting an enemy they considered evil it justified acts that most of the world considers barbaric... especially since it would lead to the deaths of civilians.

The problem is conservatives Madam-- every country has them.

America needs to tolerate conservatives because it is a free country, but this doesn't mean it is America's fault.

You really are dillusional brown. Al Qaeda cheered when the dems took congress in Nov, why is that? LOL
BTW-The link does work, you just need to do a search for "liberals blame America" in the little search box the site provides.

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okie wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:
That the WTC was hit?

Only seems that way to guilt ridden libs that hate themselves and their own country. Don't ask me to explain the psychology involved. It isn't real complicated, but that would best be done on another thread.

I don't believe they feel guilt, that takes a a conscience. They are so political & so liberal/socialist agenda driven that some would sell their mother to get that agenda in place. What's the death of iinnocent civillians matter to them?

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I believe every person has a conscience, although many claim to not have one, or at least claim no existence of right and wrong, just shades of gray. They deny guilt, I agree, but it is still there, and that is what drives alot of their mentality.

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Madam,

The Liberals want to ban torture, avoid violence and seek a diplomatic solution to conflicts.

We believe in human rights for all, want a strict separation between religion and a secular government. We are opposed to torture and want all sides cooperation with the international community. We only want war when all other options have been exhausted..

We are upset when people, especially civilians and children, die. We certainly don't celebrate death (like when helicopters fire rockets in a civilian area). We question when civilians are killed, understanding that sometimes it is unavioadable, but even then it is a horrible thing, because we want to make sure it only happens when there is no other option.

Do you really think this describes the "terrorists"?

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ebrown_p wrote:

Madam,

The Liberals want to ban torture, avoid violence and seek a diplomatic solution to conflicts.

We believe in human rights for all, want a strict separation between religion and a secular government. We are opposed to torture and want all sides cooperation with the international community. We only want war when all other options have been exhausted..

We are upset when people, especially civilians and children, die. We certainly don't celebrate death (like when helicopters fire rockets in a civilian area). We question when civilians are killed.

Do you really think this describes the "terrorists"?

1. Then help with getting rid of those bastards that have tortured men, women, & children in the name of Allah.
2. Start by applying your cry for human rights in Cuba & not just Guantanamo, where, BTW, no torture has been proven.
3. Keep up with the anti-American rhetoric, slapping our military & their C-n-C around, & I'll guarantee that you will have NO seperation of church & state, in fact, your wife will be wearing a burka.
4, Some of the international community are with us in Iraq & Afghanistan, you must've missed that. For the ones that oppose us, like Venezuela, Cuba, pi$$y countries like that, pfffft. Cindy Sheehan has their ear.
5.I have a problem when 747s fully fuel loaded are flown into buildings full of civillians, children included & somehow Bush & conservatives are blamed.
"A real patriot can not wish failure for our president"
Dallas Morninf News
Think about that & don't deny that liberals don't wish failure on this president.

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ebrown_p wrote:

Madam,

The Liberals want to ban torture, avoid violence and seek a diplomatic solution to conflicts.

We believe in human rights for all, want a strict separation between religion and a secular government. We are opposed to torture and want all sides cooperation with the international community. We only want war when all other options have been exhausted..

We are upset when people, especially civilians and children, die. We certainly don't celebrate death (like when helicopters fire rockets in a civilian area). We question when civilians are killed, understanding that sometimes it is unavioadable, but even then it is a horrible thing, because we want to make sure it only happens when there is no other option.

Do you really think this describes the "terrorists"?

Abortion is sort of violent. Saddam Hussein killing tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands was sort of violent. Surrounding Waco with tanks was sort of violent. Innocent civilians and children died for no reason. Abducting Elian Gonzales at gunpoint was sort of violent, and sending him back to Cuba to be brainwashed by Fidel was not exactly non-violent. Terrorists are by definition very weirdly violent, killing the innocent or unarmed, especially civilians, women, and children, so if you coddle them and sympathize with them, you are advancing violence.

Banning torture sounds great. I have a question, ebrown, if OBL was at Gitmo, he knew the location and disarm code to a nuclear weapon to go off in a major city in 2 hours, which would kill a minimum of 10 million people, would you choose to torture him to learn the code and the location of the weapon? Don't get me wrong. I am not favoring torture, and I do not believe prisoners were "tortured" at Gitmo, but it is easy to point out the simple fallacy of laws banning torture. We already have a policy of non-torture, and we have treated our prisoners at Gitmo better than probably any bunch of prisoners of any war, and arguably better than FDR treated innocent law abiding Japanese Americans in concentration camps.

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The "terrorists" (assuming you are talking about the Islamist type) are against abortion. They think it should be illegal.

The "terrorists" think torture is justified when it is the only way to accomplish something they consider urgent.

You and the terrorists have these two things in common. For the record I disagree with you both on these points.

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I have a question, ebrown, if OBL was at Gitmo, he knew the location and disarm code to a nuclear weapon to go off in a major city in 2 hours, which would kill a minimum of 10 million people, would you choose to torture him to learn the code and the location of the weapon?

I think you have to ask "What would Jesus do?"

And it's not just the torture, isn't it nice that none has been proven as yet, it's the very fact that this unending, undocumented (at least to the imprisoned) and unjudged incarceration continues to be performed by the land of the free and the home of the brave. All an Islamic radical has to do to prove his point that WE are just like them is say the word:
Guantanamo .

Joe(America is no different, son, look at Guantanamo .)Nation

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"Greek LEFTIST group claims responsibility for attack on US Embassy in Athens"
e_brownp, what does that do to your theory (or falsehood) about terrorists are conservative?

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My point is that the Islamic terrorists are conservatives (in the US meaning of the word).

Sure there are "leftist terrorists" who use violence (resulting in the deaths of civilians) to further their political ends. I oppose them.

I oppose every ideology that relies on violence (except as a last resort), rationalizes torture and prefers demonizing an entire group of people rather then using diplomacy and understanding to find peaceful solutions to problems.

Bush, Al Qaeda and Greek leftists. They are all dangerous criminals in my mind. We can argue about which one of these is worse (and I am not saying there aren't degrees of dangerous criminality)... but I will stand by this statement.

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ebrown_p wrote:

My point is that the Islamic terrorists are conservatives (in the US meaning of the word).

What a load of bullshit.

They are mammals too, perhaps you could say they are cats as they share some traits with them?

Don't know too many terrorists that are for lower taxes, smaller government, individual responsibility, fiscal responsibility or supports civil equality.

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Islamic terrorists are conservative? ebrown, you really are a day late and a dollar short, a few cards short of a full deck, whatever. Hopefully you will be okay, get some rest will you, I think you need it, but please don't be so delusional as to actually believe anyone should take you seriously here.

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okie wrote:

Islamic terrorists are conservative? ebrown, you really are a day late and a dollar short, a few cards short of a full deck, whatever. Hopefully you will be okay, get some rest will you, I think you need it, but please don't be so delusional as to actually believe anyone should take you seriously here.

Um, they are Conservative. They are social conservatives.

How could you guys not know this? They favor the same positions that American social conservatives favor, with 'allah' replacing 'god.' Now, the most fanatical of them are of course the most problematic and could well be described as 'fundamentalist' but that's talking more about religion and not politics...

Cycloptichorn

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