"STEAL THE WORD" (the Holy Bible and the US Govt.)

RexRed wrote:

Ga 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

How is ANY of this relevant to real slavery? It was not our world's great relgious leaders that led us to be free.

What people do in the name of God is not always congruent with the actual will and purpose of God.

We are willing slaves to the spirit of the true God.

This is like walking into a room and turning on a light and noticing a snake in the corner. So some people in fear shut the light back out, because they reason that the snake first appeared when the light was turned on. So they associate the snake with the light. But with the light off, the snake has better senses in the dark than a human to warmth, sound, vibration etc. Without the light the human is rendered defenseless.

Have you nothing to say for your own inconsistancy?

RexRed wrote:

We are willing slaves to the spirit of the true God.

This is for weak minds. Go ahead and be a slave if you believe it, but don't think that the world is okay with being a slave with you.

Christianity is about liberty... we are all slaves...

What?????

No. None of us can be. Government is not the facimile of divinity, nor does it strive to be.

RexRed wrote:

This is like walking into a room and turning on a light and noticing a snake in the corner. So some people in fear shut the light back out, because they reason that the snake first appeared when the light was turned on. So they associate the snake with the light. But with the light off, the snake has better senses in the dark than a human to warmth, sound, vibration etc. Without the light the human is rendered defenseless.

No.

The analogy is that when we are bit by the snake, we seek out who put the snake in the room in the first place without concern for what may happen.

Make a case for why Religion should be integral in government, or be done. no government should do something in the name of God, or claim to do it under God's will. when history reveals the truth, religion is first to distance itself from those it used to embrace.

Case and point, Slavery in england and America.

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Christianity is about liberty... we are all slaves...

Have you nothing to say for your own inconsistancy?

No.

The analogy is that when we are bit by the snake, we seek out who put the snake in the room in the first place without concern for what may happen.

Make a case for why Religion should be integral in government, or be done. no government should do something in the name of God, or claim to do it under God's will. when history reveals the truth, religion is first to distance itself from those it used to embrace.

Case and point, Slavery in england and America.

I am not saying religion should be in government.

But I am saying a God of liberty should be in government.

Religion is man-made... Truth is God-made.

Truth is self evident.

The truth remains true regardless of whether if we acknowledge it or not.

You can either be a slave to your own mind (that is prone to legalism and selfishness, narrow sightedness) OR you can be a slave to the mind of God that is gracious and boundless.

Which slave will "win" in the end?

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I am not saying religion should be in government.

But I am saying a God of liberty should be in government.

Religion is man-made... Truth is God-made.

Truth is self evident.

The truth remains true regardless of whether if we acknowledge it or not.

Why should god be in government? . Why should government have a governor (God)? Silly question... In matters of the universe around us, when has truth been self evident? When looking to find the shape of our world looking inward (a self evident method) we found that it was flat.

The inner world of the spirit is still flat (which you seem oblivious of) heaven is up always and hell is always down. It depends upon which perspective you value most.

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You can either be a slave to your own mind (that is prone to legalism and selfishness, narrow sightedness) OR you can be a slave to the mind of God that is gracious and boundless.

Which slave will "win" in the end?

In bondage, no one wins. If you wish to express your love for your master as a way to please him, fine.

Brain washing is only detrimental to one's health when one's brain is being washed with something other than truth. Just as bondage can be a benefit when one lasso's a star and rides their way into eternity.

I'll take my freedom, and when I have to fight for it I will, legal or other.

Your version of "freedom" is only another illusion of your own tethering to self bondage.(and the bondage of your peers)

It is you who fears freedom.

Why should government have a governor (God)? Silly question...

The inner world of the spirit is still flat (which you seem oblivious of) heaven is up always and hell is always down. It depends upon which perspective you value most.

Brain washing is only detrimental to one's health when one's brain is being washed with something other than truth. Just as bondage can be a benefit when one lasso's a star and rides their way into eternity.

Your version of "freedom" is only another illusion of your own tethering to self bondage.(and the bondage of your peers)

I fear nothing whatsoever...

2Ti 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Dude, you serious have a screw loose.

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Why should government have a governor (God)? Silly question...

Let me begin with, this is not a silly question. Next, this isn't a answer to the question I asked. Last, assuming god was apart of government, where is the checks and balances? What if the people disapprove of God's direction? God cannot be apart of government, because government must be able to adapt to the needs of the people, further it must be able to offer accountability for it's mistakes.

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The inner world of the spirit is still flat (which you seem oblivious of) heaven is up always and hell is always down. It depends upon which perspective you value most.

The world is round. The inner world? Let's say I had one, I certianly wouldn't make mine flat. You live in your world all you like, just don't come into my world demanding me to live in yours.

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Brain washing is only detrimental to one's health when one's brain is being washed with something other than truth. Just as bondage can be a benefit when one lasso's a star and rides their way into eternity.

Brainwashing is good? Bondage is good? No. Bondage is only benificial to the slave owner.

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Your version of "freedom" is only another illusion of your own tethering to self bondage.(and the bondage of your peers)

A slave to myself? I'm cool with that. It's circular and a stupid expression, but it also makes me tha master of myself. Long live freedom. I cammand myself to be free.

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I fear nothing whatsoever...

2Ti 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Liar.

You fear death and torture.

You would never dare step foot into the unknown, you need some artificial paper compass to convince you are headed north. You'll never be lost, because you'll never look around you, and when you get anywhere, it's where you think you should be, even if it's not.

Would you call the pagans happier?
Sacrificing their children to moloch?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

Also your opinion of the way Americans think is, I feel, the way you wish the common populace should be not the way it actually is. Americans are more Christian that you imply and you are in denial of that fact. Your reality is a fantasy.

The thieves stealing the word are a small segment of the population (atheists and agnostics) and the rest, for the most part, are just as ignorant of what the Bible actually teaches as you are.

The word of God may be stolen and no one may care because no one will understand what is at stake. (until it is too late)

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

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The separation of church and state is not the same as the separation of God and state... (give that some careful consideration.)

A state without God is a godless state.

This divine providence of God is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

These ideas are the word of God and within this word resides a providence where we can live in happiness with liberty and a loving God who presides over all things through peace and grace towards us.

The alternative is darkness, chaos and division caused by those who would usurp the throne of God for their own vanity of mind and for the power to rule over the world without question. Emperors and kings who stand as Gods to their people, it has happened many times before in history and it is a blight on the past that does not ever need repeating.

When God is taken from the picture then people think they can become Gods... When there is a collective consciousness that "God" is greater than creation (and state) then there is less likelihood of a power vacuum that will try to impersonate God for their own self gratification.

Romans 13
Submission to the Authorities
1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

If the agnostics and atheists were so ok with themselves and God then they would not feel it necessary for them to aggressively push to sanitize culture of every remnant of (specifically) Christianity. The ACLU's crusade against the Bible, God and Christianity is fighting the very liberty they profess to value and claim to be protecting. (Go figure) It is shameful.