bush Tries Same Move Repubs Accused Clinton Of

Remeber what OBL said after his little creeps killed 19 of our soldiers, drug their naked bodies through the filthy streets of Mogadishu, & we did absolutely nothing about it?
"America is a paper tiger" Think he's saying that now? One thing for sure, the dead terrorists in Somalia aren't saying it now.

Damn.

I thought you meant Bush had had consensual sex with someone.

LoneStarMadam wrote:

Remeber what OBL said after his little creeps killed 19 of our soldiers, drug their naked bodies through the filthy streets of Mogadishu, & we did absolutely nothing about it?
"America is a paper tiger" Think he's saying that now? One thing for sure, the dead terrorists in Somalia aren't saying it now.

Doesn't that just get the ole testosterone coursing thru your blood?

Damn.

I thought you meant Bush had had consensual sex with someone.

Remeber what OBL said after his little creeps killed 19 of our soldiers, drug their naked bodies through the filthy streets of Mogadishu, & we did absolutely nothing about it?
"America is a paper tiger" Think he's saying that now? One thing for sure, the dead terrorists in Somalia aren't saying it now.

LoneStarMadam wrote:

Remeber what OBL said after his little creeps killed 19 of our soldiers, drug their naked bodies through the filthy streets of Mogadishu, & we did absolutely nothing about it?
"America is a paper tiger" Think he's saying that now? One thing for sure, the dead terrorists in Somalia aren't saying it now.

Dead people generally are renowned as being a fairly taciturn lot, I believe.

dlowan wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

Remeber what OBL said after his little creeps killed 19 of our soldiers, drug their naked bodies through the filthy streets of Mogadishu, & we did absolutely nothing about it?
"America is a paper tiger" Think he's saying that now? One thing for sure, the dead terrorists in Somalia aren't saying it now.

Dead people generally are renowned as being a fairly taciturn lot, I believe.

Which is a good thing, because otherwise, they'd jump up and call her a liar.

The debacle in Mogadishu was a product of stupidity on the part of the American commander on the scene. Osama bin Laden was not involved. Al Qaeda had trained some of the Somali fighters, and there were al Qaeda members on the ground in Mogadishu--but the f*ck-up lies squarely at the door of the American command. There were two primary clan factions in Mogadishu, and one was lead by Mohammed Farah Aidid. Aidid was not going to play ball with the UN-sponsored provisional government, feeling that his clan had not been accorded the power and prestige which it was due. Because of his attitude, the American-lead mission began to attack his clan.

Aidid's clan was the Habar Gedir clan, and he was not the undisputed leader. A gathering of clan leaders was held on July 12, 1993, and it was not, as Americans claimed, a meeting of fighters planning to attack the UN force. In fact, the meeting was advertised in local newspapers, and the agenda of the clan elders was to find ways and means of cooperating with the UN, and possibly even of removing Aidid as the leader of the clan's armed faction. The Unites States used helicopter gun ships to attack the house in which the meeting was being held, and the end was that about 100 people in the house were killed, including almost every influential person in the clan who opposed Aidid.

The result was actually to harden Somali attitudes to oppose the UN mission, which was seen as a US-sponsored attack on the Somali people. Aidid consolidated his hold on Habar Gedir because his oppostion had been killed in the July attack. Al Qaeda was able to send its members to help train and to fight with the Somalis because they (the Somalis) now welcomed any aid against the Americans, seen as the common enemy.

Even then, neither the Somalis of Habar Gedir nor the handful of al Qaeda members in Mogadishu would have been able to get at the Americans had it not been for stupidity at the top. The city was routinely patrolled by Pakistani and Malaysian troops, who were Muslim, and who were obviously not Americans. The Americans could have stayed in their compounds, and the UN could have attempted to mend fences--although after the July attack, that might have been impossible. But in October, acting on intelligence of the movements of Aidid's lieutenants, Delta Force members and Special Forces were sent deep into Mogadishu to attempt to seize some of Aidid's closest supporters. The mission turned into a fiasco as first one, and then a second helicopter gunship were shot down. There was only one American killed who was dragged through the streets, from the second helicopter shot down--the other man in the helicopter was made a prisoner, and was later released. Eighteen Americans were badly wounded, and later died of wounds. The Special Forces, aided by the Pakistanis and Malaysians, began an operation to extract the survivors--both the original raid and the relief column which was to have picked them up had been bogged down in the narrow streets when Somalis threw up road blocks, often including burning tires which obscured visibility. Finally, early on the morning of October 4, the American force, supported by the Pakistanis and Malaysians, was evacuated to the Pakistani compound. By then, 19 Americans were dead, and about 80 wounded (only two Americans fell into Somali hands--all other American dead and wounded were successfully brought out--the two crew members of one of the helicopter shot down, well away from the street battle, and one was killed and the other captured).

Neither Aidid nor bin Laden planned any such operation. Very few, if any, members of al Qaeda actually participated, and that was just a case of opportunity. The Somalis fought the running gun battle, and the evidence since the incident is that most were not even members of the Habar Gedir militia--about 500 to 2000 Somalis were killed, depending upon whose version you accept.

As usual, this member makes sh*t up becuase she is ignorant of the events she rants about.

dlowan wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

Remeber what OBL said after his little creeps killed 19 of our soldiers, drug their naked bodies through the filthy streets of Mogadishu, & we did absolutely nothing about it?
"America is a paper tiger" Think he's saying that now? One thing for sure, the dead terrorists in Somalia aren't saying it now.

Dead people generally are renowned as being a fairly taciturn lot, I believe.

Which is a good thing, because otherwise, they'd jump up and call her a liar.

The debacle in Mogadishu was a product of stupidity on the part of the American commander on the scene. Osama bin Laden was not involved. Al Qaeda had trained some of the Somali fighters, and there were al Qaeda members on the ground in Mogadishu--but the f*ck-up lies squarely at the door of the American command. There were two primary clan factions in Mogadishu, and one was lead by Mohammed Farah Aidid. Aidid was not going to play ball with the UN-sponsored provisional government, feeling that his clan had not been accorded the power and prestige which it was due. Because of his attitude, the American-lead mission began to attack his clan.

Aidid's clan was the Habar Gedir clan, and he was not the undisputed leader. A gathering of clan leaders was held on July 12, 1993, and it was not, as Americans claimed, a meeting of fighters planning to attack the UN force. In fact, the meeting was advertised in local newspapers, and the agenda of the clan elders was to find ways and means of cooperating with the UN, and possibly even of removing Aidid as the leader of the clan's armed faction. The Unites States used helicopter gun ships to attack the house in which the meeting was being held, and the end was that about 100 people in the house were killed, including almost every influential person in the clan who opposed Aidid.

The result was actually to harden Somali attitudes to oppose the UN mission, which was seen as a US-sponsored attack on the Somali people. Aidid consolidated his hold on Habar Gedir because his oppostion had been killed in the July attack. Al Qaeda was able to send its members to help train and to fight with the Somalis because they (the Somalis) now welcomed any aid against the Americans, seen as the common enemy.

Even then, neither the Somalis of Habar Gedir nor the handful of al Qaeda members in Mogadishu would have been able to get at the Americans had it not been for stupidity at the top. The city was routinely patrolled by Pakistani and Malaysian troops, who were Muslim, and who were obviously not Americans. The Americans could have stayed in their compounds, and the UN could have attempted to mend fences--although after the July attack, that might have been impossible. But in October, acting on intelligence of the movements of Aidid's lieutenants, Delta Force members and Special Forces were sent deep into Mogadishu to attempt to seize some of Aidid's closest supporters. The mission turned into a fiasco as first one, and then a second helicopter gunship were shot down. There was only one American killed who was dragged through the streets, from the second helicopter shot down--the other man in the helicopter was made a prisoner, and was later released. Eighteen Americans were badly wounded, and later died of wounds. The Special Forces, aided by the Pakistanis and Malaysians, began an operation to extract the survivors--both the original raid and the relief column which was to have picked them up had been bogged down in the narrow streets when Somalis threw up road blocks, often including burning tires which obscured visibility. Finally, early on the morning of October 4, the American force, supported by the Pakistanis and Malaysians, was evacuated to the Pakistani compound. By then, 19 Americans were dead, and about 80 wounded (only two Americans fell into Somali hands--all other American dead and wounded were successfully brought out--the two crew members of one of the helicopter shot down, well away from the street battle, and one was killed and the other captured).

Neither Aidid nor bin Laden planned any such operation. Very few, if any, members of al Qaeda actually participated, and that was just a case of opportunity. The Somalis fought the running gun battle, and the evidence since the incident is that most were not even members of the Habar Gedir militia--about 500 to 2000 Somalis were killed, depending upon whose version you accept.

As usual, this member makes sh*t up becuase she is ignorant of the events she rants about.

... They want to force their religion on people and have chosen violence as the way to do so.

Baldimo wrote:

... They want to force their religion on people and have chosen violence as the way to do so.

Jeeze, that's exactly what the American Taliban has been trying to do for the last eight years. The violence comes from those who are trying to oust the invaders from their land.

Baldimo wrote:

... They want to force their religion on people and have chosen violence as the way to do so.

Jeeze, that's exactly what the American Taliban has been trying to do for the last eight years. The violence comes from those who are trying to oust the invaders from their land.