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Daddy Bush Attacks JFK "Conspiracy Theorists"

 
 
Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jan, 2007 03:39 pm
Wikipedia has reported untrue and inaccurate information before if I remember correctly.

I don't particularly trust it.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jan, 2007 03:42 pm
Now, now. Attacking Wikpedia wont cut it. The report is from the House of Reps. As for the science that is precisely what Ford altered and he admits to it himself. He made changers to the scientific evidence. "My changes had nothing to do with a conspiracy theory," he said.
"My changes were only an attempt to be more precise." Ford.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jan, 2007 04:25 pm
The analysis of scientific evidence has come a long long way in the last 44 years.

Current acoustic science shows that there was no second shooter.

Current ballistic science shows that there was only one bullet and there was nothing magic about it.

The assisination has been reconstructed with amazing detail and I am convinced that the conspiracy theories are wrong.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jan, 2007 04:33 pm
boomerang, you must have more than just your word on that. If you do you could post it but even that wont change the fact that Gerald Ford made changes that altered what forensic experts told the Warren Commission. He wanted to make the evidence more "precise" as he said? More precise than the evidence? Seems to me changing the location of the bullet wounds is serious tampering.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jan, 2007 04:45 pm
Like I said - I saw an incredible documentary on the Discovery channel (might have been the History channel) but it really addressed all of the major conspiracy ideas and put the assisination to the test - finding that there was one shooter and one unmagic bullet did what it was said to have done.

If I see that they are reruning it I'll be sure to post a date and time.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jan, 2007 06:16 pm
boomerang, well if you do that I'll check it out. Meanwhile I find Poppy Bushie's statements at Ford's funeral to be strange since most Americans aren't aware of Ford's role in twisting the scientific evidence presented to the Warren Commission. Poppy Bush, "And the conspiracy theorists can say what they will, but the Warren Commission report will always have the final definitive say on this tragic matter. Why? Because Jerry Ford put his name on it and Jerry Ford's word was always good." Suppose some reporter picks up on that and points out how Ford not only changed the wording but admitted he changed the wording and the change was made in such a way as to change the scientific evidence pointing to the location of the bullet? That's strong stuff to any sincerely curious type of which I'm one. http://www.jfklancer.com/docs.maps/skeleton.GIF " The signed autopsy sheet, including the placement and description of the back wound, was verified by Admiral George Gregory Burkley, personal physician to the president who directed the autopsy at Bathesda. Burkley filled out and signed John F. Kennedy's official death certificate on November 23rd, 1963. He verified the location of the back wound and signed the Kennedy autopsy sheet at Bethesda on November 24th. That death certificate revealed the back wound to be, in the Admiral's own words, at the president's "third thoracic vertebra."

The neck has seven CERVICAL vertebrae, and this observed and verified wound was described as three THORACIC vertebrae lower than the neck itself. A wound in the back, exactly where the official autopsy sheet and the coat and shirt placed it. Warren Commissioner Gerald Ford was one of the key people responsible for misleading the U.S. public about the facts of the JFK assassination. The single bullet theory and the lone assassin fiction are only possible if we believe Gerald Ford's terrible fiction." http://www.jfklancer.com/Ford-Rankin.html
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Mexica
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jan, 2007 10:21 pm
boomerang wrote:
The analysis of scientific evidence has come a long long way in the last 44 years.

Current acoustic science shows that there was no second shooter.

Current ballistic science shows that there was only one bullet and there was nothing magic about it.


That seems to me a great distortion of the facts.

From what I have read the Discovery Channel's documentary on *Wikipedia that while the single bullet theory "is much more plausible than previously thought," it is still "technically improbable." That is a far cry from "science showing that there was only one bullet."

But please, show or link the "acoustic science [that] shows that there was no second shooter." Also, please link or show the "current ballistic science [that] shows that there was only one bullet..." I'd really enjoy reading how scientist(s) have laid that element of the JFK conspiracy theorists theory to rest.

*Discovery Channel's reenactment of bullet CE399's path

A Discovery Channel special attempted to replicate, as well as possible, the conditions of that day. The participants set up blocks of ballistics gel with a substance similar to human bone inside. These studies showed that largely undeformed bullets were possible to produce, if they were slowed by a passage though a tissue-like substance before striking bone. Next, two mannequin figures made of ballistic anatomical substances (animal skin, gelatin, and interior bone-like cast) were set up in the exact relative position of JFK and Connally. A marksman, from a distance equal to that of the sixth floor of the book depository building, fired the same rifle model found in the Book Depository, using a round from the same batch of the same "Western Case Cartridge Company" 6.5x52 mm ammunition purchased with the surplus Carcano weapon in early 1963 (and three expended brass and one live round from which, had been found with the Carcano, in the book depository Nov. 22, 1963). The path of their single bullet (followed by high speed photography) duplicated, almost exactly, the wounds suffered by the victims that day, the only difference being that the bullet did not quite have enough energy to penetrate the "thigh" substance in front of the Connally figure, due to striking an extra bone in the "rib" model (i.e., it fractured 2 ribs in the model vs. one rib in Connally). It was also slightly more deformed than CE 399, possibly for the same reason. However, this bullet came close enough to duplicating all wounds in both men with a single shot, with a bullet having little deformation, that the theory, while technically improbable, is much more plausible than previously thought [13]. [/quote]
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tommrr
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jan, 2007 11:15 pm
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Now, now. Attacking Wikpedia wont cut it. The report is from the House of Reps

The US House of Reps...another greatly known outfit of truth...
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jan, 2007 12:43 am
Regardless of proving or disproving the various theories, it is a widely accepted opinion that the Warren Comission Report was a total white-wash.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jan, 2007 07:53 am
Honestly, I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm not going to wade through a bazillion pages to find things that are already neatly packaged and available for consuption by anyone with the motivation to rent the movie and see for themselves.

Renting the movie is almost as easy as getting film reviews off Wikipedia.

Anyone who wants to go on believing in the JFK theories is certainly welcome to do so.
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rabel22
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jan, 2007 11:20 am
You people who dismiss the JFK theories don't mind if I keep my eyes open to the news about such things. In my 70+ years the one thing I have learned is that money buys power. In the future it will be found that money and power killed JFK.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jan, 2007 11:31 am
rabel, "In the future it will be found that money and power killed JFK." Well JFK did directly take on the Fed stripping them of the power to print money and withdrawing Fed Notes and replacing them with US Notes backed by silver. JFK effectively killed the Fed and when he was assassinated the Fed was resurrected. http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/kennedy.html
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jan, 2007 11:38 am
rabel22 wrote:
You people who dismiss the JFK theories don't mind if I keep my eyes open to the news about such things. In my 70+ years the one thing I have learned is that money buys power. In the future it will be found that money and power killed JFK.


According to the autopsy, it was a bullet.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jan, 2007 12:13 pm
McGentrix wrote:
rabel22 wrote:
You people who dismiss the JFK theories don't mind if I keep my eyes open to the news about such things. In my 70+ years the one thing I have learned is that money buys power. In the future it will be found that money and power killed JFK.


According to the autopsy, it was a bullet.


I love the new look!
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jan, 2007 12:20 pm
woiyo wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
rabel22 wrote:
You people who dismiss the JFK theories don't mind if I keep my eyes open to the news about such things. In my 70+ years the one thing I have learned is that money buys power. In the future it will be found that money and power killed JFK.


According to the autopsy, it was a bullet.


I love the new look!


Cool
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