Reasons God Doesn't Exist

So why don't you start by quoting the verse fully and correctly and in context?

If you want to argue that the Bible is inconsistent, start with a correct view of what the Bible actually says about God, not with something it doesn't say.

(Your recent argument about why you think the God of the Bible isn't 'perfect', using your own definition of 'perfect', is what I am referencing.)

timberlandko wrote:

Not "MY" definition, rl; as gone over most recently back in an early November discussion beginning Here, carrying on accross several pages - just the standard dictionary definition of "Perfect" as that word is used and understood in the English language ... that rug was yanked out from under you. That bit was quite similar to the hole you dug for yourself back in February, beginning Here and likewise continuing over many pages.

Now, you're welcome to maintain that when a particular word is used in scripture the standard dictionary definition of that word does not apply but rather that word is to be understood in some other wise. In fact, you're welcome to maintain any or every word appearing in scripture be granted exemption from conforming to the parameters of standard dictionary definition - you can maintain scripture says anything you want it to say in order to conform scripture to your vision of what scripture should mean.

If perfect, then, given the attributes inherent to perfection, such a being would have no impetus, need, reason, or cause to create - or for that matter to destroy or otherwise alter - anything whatsoever

You're equating "adequate to the task" with "Perfect", neo - big difference conceptually, even if not so large a difference at the pragmatically functional level.


Happy New Year and best wishes to you and yours.


And Happy New Year to you, too, rl, and to all of yours, whoever and wherever they are - hope you all have a great year and many more to come.

One simply reaches an age where childish fairy tales must be put aside, and one must face the reality of the universe as a natural phenomenom. It is true of a child, and is true of the human race as a whole.

It angers me that anyone would cheapen the glorious beauty of the universe (especially biology!) by presuming that some magician simply "poof"-ed it all into place.

It's like the whole natural history of the universe is a giant jigsaw puzzle, and we only have some of the peices. Every year we find more and more, but NOT ONCE have we EVER found a peice that clearly belonged to a different puzzle.

The Cassini-Huygens probe recently explored various parts of the Saturnian system and found many surprising and wonderful things. Sadly though, nothing magical, nothing unnatural, nothing to indicate that it was made with a wand or a spell or a magic word.

Just one "monolith on the moon" is all it would take to shake us to the core. Theists are just ignoring this obvious fact of life.

It is hilarious to watch you spout about 'there is no natural (empirical) evidence of the supernatural'.

Do you not get what an absurd objection that is?

It's like objecting that one cannot smell gamma rays.

Yeah, no duh.

Note that I didn't declare any particular type of faith.

I simply pointed out the absurdity of your objection.

You attempt to maintain that you've got a strong case against the existence of something , simply because you've never observed it.

It's pretty entertaining.

Moreover , the thing you insist you've never observed is by definition unobservable.

So your crowing is even funnier.

It's like the Chinese women's gymnastics team bragging that they've never been beaten by the Denver Broncos. No duh.

thunder32 wrote:

Please give logical (short, if possible) explanations as to why a perfect God either does not exist, or exist as common perceptions of God.

This is quite open-ended, so post whatever you feel relating to the general subject.

If God is within us, as Jesus said, then we are God. We are perfect, or at least have that potential. Then, the question becomes How do we reach that potential?

Eorl wrote:

One simply reaches an age where childish fairy tales must be put aside, and one must face the reality of the universe as a natural phenomenom. It is true of a child, and is true of the human race as a whole.

It angers me that anyone would cheapen the glorious beauty of the universe (especially biology!) by presuming that some magician simply "poof"-ed it all into place.

It's like the whole natural history of the universe is a giant jigsaw puzzle, and we only have some of the peices. Every year we find more and more, but NOT ONCE have we EVER found a peice that clearly belonged to a different puzzle.

The Cassini-Huygens probe recently explored various parts of the Saturnian system and found many surprising and wonderful things. Sadly though, nothing magical, nothing unnatural, nothing to indicate that it was made with a wand or a spell or a magic word.

Just one "monolith on the moon" is all it would take to shake us to the core. Theists are just ignoring this obvious fact of life.

So since you've never 'seen' evidence of the 'unseen', i.e. you haven't observed any 'natural' evidence of the 'supernatural', then it obviously cannot be, right?

BTW have you ever heard the color green, or smelled the light from the sun? I wonder why not.

Don't know why you folks go through this crap so often…when the reality of the matter is as apparent as the nose on Jimmy Durante's face.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Don't know why you folks go through this crap so often…when the reality of the matter is as apparent as the nose on Jimmy Durante's face.

Durante has been deceased for a while now and if he wasn't cremated his nose may well have deteriorated into nothingness. Hmm, maybe that's what you're trying to tell us in some roundabout way.



Anywho...people like to rehash subjects, you know that Frank. Don't give it any concern.