Reasons God Doesn't Exist

If there was a perfect God then why did he make such imperfect and unequal creations?

By the way, if you want to provide arguments just for the sake of better learning and better ideas...go for it!

I don't know NickFun, though I would pose this...what makes you think we aren't perfect? Perfect, in who's eyes? Are we exactly perfect in our imperfection?

Circle jerk thread . . .

Why should any reasonable person believe that any god does exist?

Well I have fallen in love with the argument, "If their is no god, why does everyone have sometype of god they praise". This is what i call the "widely believed 'fact' ". But another widely believed fact is the Virgin goddess, every religion has one. Athena, Isis, Mother Mary...

But anyoway, i see this one used alot, and many Cliché believing Christians find this a great offense.

--Let's start with 'unequal'.

Why would the creation of 'unequal' creations be an argument against a Creator?

A horse is not 'equal' to a rat, nor is an ant 'equal' to an alligator. But how does any of that form a case that negates the possibility of a Creator?

--Then we have the question about 'imperfect'.

If God is 'perfect', how could it be possible to create something else 'perfect' like God (i.e something that is also the Creator of all things, all powerful etc)

It could not be done. It would be impossible for God to create something equal to himself, since anything He creates could not be a 'Creator of all, eternal, all powerful' etc as God is.

So since anything God creates will be less than God is, it will always be less than 'perfect'.

Re: Reasons God Doesn't Exist


If God is within us, as Jesus said, then we are God. We are perfect, or at least have that potential. Then, the question becomes How do we reach that potential?

Clearly, one offering such as rl's latest fails to see the absurdity structurally inherent to the proposition as rl has presented that proposition. Clear as well is that effort to correct such intellectual failing among those given to embracing such absurdities is pointless; circular argument not merely is self-referencing, functionally it is self-reinforcing and all but unassailably self-insulating - that is its very purpose.

That's the longest 'I don't know' that I've ever seen, timber. Nice job.

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God is not within us, that's merely what the hypocrites claim Jesus (pbuh) said. Similarly, to how they claim he is the son of God when God has no sons. Or the fact that they claim he turned water into wine to justify their love for drinking. They follow nothing but falsehoods and delusions.

Mankind! We created you from a male and female, and made you into peoples and tribes so that you might come to know each other. The noblest among you in God's sight is the one with the most piety (who best performs his duty to God). God is All-Knowing, All-Aware. (Surat al-Hujurat: 13)

I can accept readilly that you don't know rl; you go out of your way to make that clear.

timber, are you the kid who used to say 'I'm rubber and you're glue.....' ?

Haven't you ever got past that?

*sigh*

back to topic. see ya later timber.

So, anyone wanna pick up on Nick's idea about 'imperfect' or 'unequal'?

I already did.

rl, your imperfect rhetoric so far has proven unequal to the task of presenting a coherent propositiont, let alone substantive argument.


How does that square with "In God all things are possible" ... ?

Yes, I don't flower up my speech like you.



That's probably why you usually dodge it, eh?



Sounds like the old George Carlin routine about his upbringing in Catholic schools........ 'can God make a rock so big that He can't lift it? ha ha ha got ya there Father......'

So why don't you start by quoting the verse fully and correctly and in context?

Actually take a step further back than that.

If you want to argue that the Bible is inconsistent, start with a correct view of what the Bible actually says about God, not with something it doesn't say.

(Your recent argument about why you think the God of the Bible isn't 'perfect', using your own definition of 'perfect', is what I am referencing.)

 
God is God. We can't define whether God is perfect or not because God exists outside the universe and time and so can't be quantified by standards contrived within the universe.


"who is God? where is God?"

The answers to those two questions depend upon what religious faith you accept as valid -- and there are many to choose from!


IMHO

1. God created/caused our spirits (entities) along with the universe to come into being. God established the purpose for it all but doesn't involve Its self in the continuance or activities of same.

2. "Sin" is man's concept and is utilized by men to control other men. The human caused "negative events" that take place are circumstances that are considered by us in the non-life experience between incarnations as we evaluate the successes and failures we made as we attempted to achieve our goals during our incarnations.

3. The Bible (and similar religious books) is a necessary concoction created by man to control man and his environment. It was necessary because mankind, in its infancy, did not have the medical and technological knowledge to conquer and understand its environment so had to be controlled by superstitions which were found to save lives and further the survivability of the various human societies.


Why did God make the world?


IMHO, God diversified Itself into Its many parts and charged those parts (entities) to go forth and acquire knowledge and experience and to then return to the Oneness of God.

The entities caused the creation of the universe and everything therein and individually choose to inhabit the physical bodies.

The entities may incarnate/reincarnate many times before gravitating back into the Oneness of God.


SPECULATIONS


Speculation: 1 Is God necessary?

Yes!

There has to be a Source from which the "big bang" sprang forth Creating the universe.


Speculation: 2 What is God?

God is the ultimate Cause.

God is the Creative Entity, Energy or Force from which all is derived.


Speculation: 3 Where is God?

God is in a state of awareness that is outside the universe.

God has morphed part of Itself into those entities (spirits) that inhabit the universe and the physical bodies within.


Speculation: 4 Why is God?

God Is because God Is.

God is eternal, existing independent of time or the universe.


Speculation: 5 Is God concerned?

No!

God is not concerned with the daily functioning of the universe or matters within it. That is our domain and subject to our whim.


Speculation: 6 What are we?

We are the spirits (entities) of God.

God morphed into Us and we continue to create according to God's purpose.

Our physical bodies are simply the means we use to experience and function in the physical dimension.


Speculation: 7 Why are we?

We are for the purpose of gaining knowledge and experience.

In the end, we gravitate back into the Oneness of God allowing for the fulfillment of God.


Speculation: 8 Evolution

Evolution is simply a tool of Creation.

The entities often influence the direction of evolution along desired paths.


From my chosen path i stray,
Yet my God ne'er turns away;
For i have learned -- and understand,
That where God is -- is where i am!

Not "MY" definition, rl; as gone over most recently back in an early November discussion beginning Here, carrying on accross several pages - just the standard dictionary definition of "Perfect" as that word is used and understood in the English language ... that rug was yanked out from under you. That bit was quite similar to the hole you dug for yourself back in February, beginning Here and likewise continuing over many pages.

Now, you're welcome to maintain that when a particular word is used in scripture the standard dictionary definition of that word does not apply but rather that word is to be understood in some other wise. In fact, you're welcome to maintain any or every word appearing in scripture be granted exemption from conforming to the parameters of standard dictionary definition - you can maintain scripture says anything you want it to say in order to conform scripture to your vision of what scripture should mean.

Ethemer, that is fairly close to the way I see it, but didn't come by this knowledge from any particular religion. So, did you?

 
i came by my belief after studying various religions and then putting together what i thought was logical.