Born Agains: where did you screw up?

I eat pork, something repulsive to much of the world. I wouldn't force someone to watch me eat a ham sandwich, because I'd respect them, and would want them to respect me.

Back again steve

To be clearer, if someone of a particular lizard worshipping religion ardently believes that an iguana is in charge, and does nothing to convert me over, or try to draw me in when I'm not interested, I can certainly respect that...

Chai Tea wrote:

I eat pork, something repulsive to much of the world. I wouldn't force someone to watch me eat a ham sandwich, because I'd respect them, and would want them to respect me.

To me, the finest thing about Judaism and Islam is the fact that it leaves more pork for me.

Back bacon, anyone?

I wouldn't force someone to watch me eat a ham sandwich, because I'd respect them, and would want them to respect me.

Chai Tea wrote:

I wouldn't force someone to watch me eat a ham sandwich, because I'd respect them, and would want them to respect me.

Very honest of you CT. Ever thought of something a little easier...like a chicken curry?

Steve 41oo wrote:

Chai Tea wrote:

I wouldn't force someone to watch me eat a ham sandwich, because I'd respect them, and would want them to respect me.

Very honest of you CT. Ever thought of something a little easier...like a chicken curry?

I don't like curry, bleech, yuck. However, you'd never know it if you were having a meal with me, and ordered it. Why should I potentially make you uncomfortable?


I dunno, in general, if I realize somethings annoying or bothersome to someone else, I won't engage in it in their presence.

When someone comes over that doesn't like cats, they (the animals) go to the back of the house, behind a closed door.
If someone finds certain language offensive, I'll not curse or say certain things around them. Not like saying they are right, but just as a courtesy to another. I mean, none of this is really putting me out, and it's being decent to others.

Relating this to religion, and pushing it on others, it's the same to me like people who sit in the same area with you, playing music, without a thought as to whether the other person wants to hear it. I feel that's very disrespectful, assuming you want to listen to what they want.

Just the way I personally feel someone should not stick their preference for entertainment in your face, they shouldn't do so with religion.

Well I must admit to being religophobic....its not a crime (yet) is it?

I dont differentiate between superstition, religion, crystal dangling etc etc, although I will admit some stuff is relatively benign.

But what irritates me is their arrogance and self delusion. If those who set themselves up as figures of spiritual or relgious importance were honest they would say just the same as anyone else...i.e. we dont have a clue about the real nature of divinity, its all just myth and legend passed down to us. But they dont. They claim real knowledge about that which is unknowable and end up bamboozling the gullible and enjoying the fruits of the power it brings them.

Meanwhile some ideas are truly harmful. An obvious example being religious inspired terrorism.

Someone was just at my door asking me if I believed in a world where no one got sick, quoting the bible and asking me if I thought god would deliver on his promise.

It struck me that for those who consider such fanaticism an illness, that question from such a person is hillarious...

How does one 'know' whether or not something is 'unknowable'?

Isn't it simply rather that you can say 'honestly I don't know, but you may know'?

Wouldn't it require omniscience to 'know' all that is knowable, or whether something is 'unknowable' to others? (Of course, if you're omniscient , it wouldn't be 'unknowable' to you.)

Religiophobic behavior is dangerous when one starts advocating locking up people for their beliefs.

I agree that some actions, such as terrorism, are harmful. But are you also going to start jailing people for their ideas?

If I think 'I hate that guy and wish he were dead', are you ready to jail me? Or shouldn't we, as free societies have traditionally done, punish 'wrong actions' rather than 'wrong thoughts'?

Did you in return ask them, when they were ready to end their search for the Lord himself, and they need to seek no further, now that they were standing on his doorstep? Then proceed to tell them to give the Lord all their money?

slappy wrote:

Did you in return ask them, when they were ready to end their search for the Lord himself, and they need to seek no further, now that they were standing on his doorstep? Then proceed to tell them to give the Lord all their money?

hehe.. they'd never believe me anyway. I don't think I could carry it off. But I'll give it a try next time.