Christian Women - Its not your fault!!

Wilso,
you should heed her advice.

there is no need to get personal. Nor throw insults.

Name calling is a little immature. I though atheists were tolerant caring folk.

True colours? - Pot calling kettle!!!

Im not hiding, I am just amused at you're views.

you are making innuendos about someone you know nothing about!!

Pathetic insults, are you going to slander my mother next!!!!!!

Relax Wilso, you're feeding the crocodile. Go do something to make the world a better place. Give you wife a hug, bring flowers to work. This person is not worth the energy you are giving him.

The Bible convicts women as the original sinners, (i.e. Eve picking from the forbidden tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}. The Qur'an clarifies it was Adam not Eve {Al-A'raf 7:19-25}.

The Bible says "The birth of a daughter is a loss." The Qur'an says both are an equal blessing {Ash-Shura 42:49}.

The Bible forbids women from speaking in church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}. The Qur'an says women can argue with the Prophet (SAW) {Al-Mujadilah 58:1}.

In the Bible, divorced women are labeled as an adulteress, not men {Matthew 5:31-32}. The Quran does not have Biblical double standards {Ar-Rum 30:21}.

In the Bible, widows and sisters do not inherit any property or wealth, only men do {Numbers 27:1-11}. The Quran abolished this male greediness {An-Nisa 4:22} and Allah (SWT) protects all.

The Bible allows multiple wives {I Kings 11:3}. In the Quran, Allah (SWT) limits the number to four only under certain situations. {An-Nisa 4:3}. The Quran gives the woman the right to choose who to marry.

Abid wrote:

As a garment gives protection, warmth, comfort and decency, so too a husband and wife offer each other intimacy, comfort and protection from committing adultery.

(sort of breaking my debate rule, but I do want to know)

So why don't men wear a veil and/or burka? Aren't men as tempting to a woman as a woman is to a man? Why do only women get covered as if they are wearing a shroud?

Green Witch wrote:

Abid wrote:

As a garment gives protection, warmth, comfort and decency, so too a husband and wife offer each other intimacy, comfort and protection from committing adultery.

(sort of breaking my debate rule, but I do want to know)

So why don't men wear a veil and/or burka? Aren't men as tempting to a woman as a woman is to a man? Why do only women get covered as if they are wearing a shroud?

the nature of the man is more lustful then women im sure you will agree.

Men must also cover themselves from above the navel to below the knees.

there is no reason given to us so this is pure speculation aat this point, but men are also commanded to provide for the family and so they must work.
Often they must do so in harsh conditons so it may not be suitable for them to be completley uncovered.

Islam also forbids free mixing so most of these situations that you speak of are cut out anyways. Only in a few situations would there be opportunities for women mixingwith men for example in the market place.

And Allah (swt) knows best

Abid wrote:

The Bible convicts women as the original sinners, (i.e. Eve picking from the forbidden tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}. The Qur'an clarifies it was Adam not Eve {Al-A'raf 7:19-25}.

The Bible says "The birth of a daughter is a loss." The Qur'an says both are an equal blessing {Ash-Shura 42:49}.

The Bible forbids women from speaking in church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}. The Qur'an says women can argue with the Prophet (SAW) {Al-Mujadilah 58:1}.

In the Bible, divorced women are labeled as an adulteress, not men {Matthew 5:31-32}. The Quran does not have Biblical double standards {Ar-Rum 30:21}.

In the Bible, widows and sisters do not inherit any property or wealth, only men do {Numbers 27:1-11}. The Quran abolished this male greediness {An-Nisa 4:22} and Allah (SWT) protects all.

The Bible allows multiple wives {I Kings 11:3}. In the Quran, Allah (SWT) limits the number to four only under certain situations. {An-Nisa 4:3}. The Quran gives the woman the right to choose who to marry.

Is there a point you are trying to make?

Apparently, both religious "clubs" have "issues" relative to how women should be percieved and treated.

from your postings, neither of the "religious clubs" have it correct, in my opinion.

So again, what conclusion or point are you trying to make?

Green Witch wrote:

Abid wrote:

"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him and he will be one of the losers in the Hereafter." (Quran, 3:85)

Prove it.

Well the only time you will know for sure is when you finally expire and the Angels question you in your grave. Only then will you see that we were speaking the truth, but it will be too late for you to repent nonetheless.

Abid wrote:

Green Witch wrote:

Abid wrote:

As a garment gives protection, warmth, comfort and decency, so too a husband and wife offer each other intimacy, comfort and protection from committing adultery.

(sort of breaking my debate rule, but I do want to know)

So why don't men wear a veil and/or burka? Aren't men as tempting to a woman as a woman is to a man? Why do only women get covered as if they are wearing a shroud?

the nature of the man is more lustful then women im sure you will agree.

Men must also cover themselves from above the navel to below the knees.

there is no reason given to us so this is pure speculation aat this point, but men are also commanded to provide for the family and so they must work.
Often they must do so in harsh conditons so it may not be suitable for them to be completley uncovered.

Islam also forbids free mixing so most of these situations that you speak of are cut out anyways. Only in a few situations would there be opportunities for women mixingwith men for example in the market place.

And Allah (swt) knows best

Exactly. And they have done studies where men's pupils enlarge when they see naked women but this was not the case with women. Allah does know best.

Raul-7 wrote:

Green Witch wrote:

Abid wrote:

"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him and he will be one of the losers in the Hereafter." (Quran, 3:85)

Prove it.

Well the only time you will know for sure is when you finally expire and the Angels question you in your grave. Only then will you see that we were speaking the truth, but it will be too late for you to repent nonetheless.

Raul-7, I like to believe if there is a God, that he is like the best of parents and loves all his children equally no matter what they think. I like to believe I will be judged by what good I do to his other children (my brothers and sisters on earth) and so I will not condemn them to hell, even in my mind. If the religious fanatics are whom God loves and saves for heavan then I would prefer condemnation and an eternity in hell with my friends.

If men are the problem than they should wear blinders like a horse. Actually, women check out men as much as men check out women - we are just more discreet. Also women have better peripheral vision than men so isn't noticed so much when we peek - and that is a scientific fact.

How doesn one protect themselves from urine?

I hope you are genuinely confussed by the question.

With water?

Chai Tea wrote:

How doesn one protect themselves from urine?

I hope you are genuinely confussed by the question.

With water?

Abid wrote:

I hope you are genuinely confussed by the question.

With water?

I suppose one can learn that from Confussius...