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AISHA'S AGE AND NEW PROPAGANDA AGAINST ISLAM....

 
 
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 02:41 pm
Abid wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Abid wrote:
people being duped by rulers is diffferent to peolpe making their own personal choice to embrace Islam
Duped is duped. It matters little who duped you into believing heinous actions are justifiable.

Abid wrote:
Youngest person on record to have a child is 8 years old in Argentina.
If god didnt want people having children so young, he wouldnt allow them to mensturate so young.
Facts of life!
Rolling Eyes That's akin to saying if God didn't want people to be vaporized by the millions, he wouldn't have allowed for thermo-nuclear technology. Just because you can; doesn't mean you should. Your pro-pedophilia arguments have become as ridiculous as they are disgusting. Rolling Eyes


Just as disgusting as some drunken lunatics perving and sleeping around with people you dont even know???
Just as? Drunks sleeping with strangers is on par with child molestation in your view? Did you always have this warped sense of morality, or did Islam teach you that? Seriously; do you honestly think these two sins (or whatever you call them) are equal?

Abid wrote:
The fact is if this wasnt a decree of God, knowing that it would be an issue for debate in time to come, would a man as famous as Mohammed really have folowed his own desires?
Shocked You have a funny way of confusing FACT with disgustingly idiotic babble. Now God decreed child molestation good and Mohammed's actions are the proof? Do you really mean what you say here?
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Abid
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jan, 2007 04:51 pm
I mean the Prohet was TOLD to marry Ayisha by the wisdom of Allah. Im not condoning what perverts do when they kidnap or rape kids.
Dont forget who this women was in Islam.

But hey your views are your own.
Im sure you will have all the contentment with whatever you chose to believe and whatever desires you chose to follow. Have fun!!! Very Happy
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2007 09:14 am
Wise God's don't tell people to be pedophiles. Wise people don't believe they do.
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theislamicwayoflife
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2007 03:21 am
islam is the way of life, the TRUE and PROVED religion
you say Islam has not contributed in the last "500 years?"
Islam proves every aspect, it can never contradict itself, and has beheld the truth in the koran before anybody proved anything.
example
fresh water and salt water cannot mix.
it was written word for word in the koran, several hundreds of years later some western withead realised it in his little canoe although it has always been there in the koran.
iscience,nature,education,love anything you name it, islam has proved and been written in the koran and said in hadith before anybody "discovered it"

i wouyld like to say something else.
Christianity? catholic, the whole lot of it is categorised under christianity, how come one second Jesus is God? the next he is Son of God?
if you out there believe he is the "son of god'? why do you focus on jesus more than your own creator?

and if you beleive he is God, why is he in the forma human? isn't God at a much higher level thn that? revealing himself before the day of judjement by yonks then "leaving", humans are not perfect so how can perfect God transform to his creation? he created us for our imperfections

AND with ayesha, she was one of the wsest women.
YOU people need to look at the time and history of where it took place, you can't go around saying things like our prophet is a perve.
you are hypocrites!
all of you have bloody sex when you feel like it and get pregnant and god knows what, you lose your virginity before marriage

so you being impure think you have the right to say something like that.
islam doesn't allow sex before marriage for protection.
so next time you want to say filth, think about your intimacy, losing your whatever on prom night, not gibing a damn
Prophet Mohamad (pbuh) was married and obeyed Allah (swa) will.
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fresco
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2007 10:13 am
theislamicwayoflife,

Mohammed was indeed "married" Smile

"WIVES" OF MOHAMMED

1 Khadijah bint Khuwaylid
2 Sawda bint Zama
3 Aisha
4 Hafsa bint Umar
5 Zaynab bint Khuzayma
6 Umm Salama Hind bint Abi Umayya
7 Zaynab bint Jahsh
8 Juwayriya bint al-Harith
9 Ramlah bint Abi-Sufyan
10 Safiyya bint Huyayy
11 Maymuna bint al-Harith
12 Maria al-Qibtiyya
CONCUBINES NOT LISTED

The continued claims for the moral highground by muslims is an insult to our intelligence. So "muslims don't engage in extra-marital sex" ? ...except presumably for those responsible for spreading AIDS in Africa !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3340611.stm
http://www.humanists.net/alisina/islamic_morality.htm
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2007 01:21 pm
Re: islam is the way of life, the TRUE and PROVED religion
theislamicwayoflife wrote:
AND with ayesha, she was one of the wsest women.
YOU people need to look at the time and history of where it took place, you can't go around saying things like our prophet is a perve.
you are hypocrites!
all of you have bloody sex when you feel like it and get pregnant and god knows what, you lose your virginity before marriage
Rolling Eyes How you can compare premarital sex and child molestation I have no idea. Rolling Eyes
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2007 02:17 pm
Re: islam is the way of life, the TRUE and PROVED religion
theislamicwayoflife wrote:
you say Islam has not contributed in the last "500 years?"

That's precisely what was said. Absent your providing verifiable evidence to the contrary - some documentation of an Islamic contribution to the overall benefit of the human condition having occurred between the beginning of the 16th Century and the present - the statement stands.

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Islam proves every aspect, it can never contradict itself, and has beheld the truth in the koran before anybody proved anything.
example
fresh water and salt water cannot mix.
it was written word for word in the koran, several hundreds of years later some western withead realised it in his little canoe although it has always been there in the koran.
iscience,nature,education,love anything you name it, islam has proved and been written in the koran and said in hadith before anybody "discovered it"
..

WTF??? The development of river delta agriculture was based on that principle - over 10,000 years ago.

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i wouyld like to say something else.
Christianity? catholic, the whole lot of it is categorised under christianity, how come one second Jesus is God? the next he is Son of God?
if you out there believe he is the "son of god'? why do you focus on jesus more than your own creator?

and if you beleive he is God, why is he in the forma human? isn't God at a much higher level thn that? revealing himself before the day of judjement by yonks then "leaving", humans are not perfect so how can perfect God transform to his creation? he created us for our imperfections

That comment betrays a breathtaking ignorance of Christian history, dogma, doctrine, thought, and teaching ... and believe me kid, I ain't no Christian, not by a long shot.

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AND with ayesha, she was one of the wsest women.
YOU people need to look at the time and history of where it took place, you can't go around saying things like our prophet is a perve.
you are hypocrites!

That comment is simply absurd; it absolutely is the conceptual equivalent using the "standards of the times" to the end of justifying the atrocities of the Christian Crusaders.

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all of you have bloody sex when you feel like it and get pregnant and god knows what, you lose your virginity before marriage

so you being impure think you have the right to say something like that.
islam doesn't allow sex before marriage for protection.
so next time you want to say filth, think about your intimacy, losing your whatever on prom night, not gibing a damn
Prophet Mohamad (pbuh) was married and obeyed Allah (swa) will.

You really need to get a grip on the concepts of circular reasoning, irrelevancy, non sequitur, and straw man argument, along with putting some effort into coherent writing and learning a little history. If your intent was to champion the Islamic propostion, you've so far in this discussion not done yourself nor that proposition any good at all - quite the contrary, in fact; you've provided only more solid ammunition for those who criticize and ridcule the proposition you would endorse and defend.
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dalahow2
 
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Reply Mon 26 Feb, 2007 07:54 am
Re: AISHA'S AGE AND NEW PROPAGANDA AGAINST ISLAM....
dalahow2 wrote:
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/dawahpage/aisha.html

AGE CONSENT TO SEXUAL MATERIALS AND INTERCOURSE IN THE WORLD IN REFERENCE TO THE ACCUSATION OF AISHA RA...

From various sources,

For someone like Setanta to write misconception against ISLAM in the name of gaining reader's mind about ISLAM, in itself, is a great faliure..

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Islam is the world fastest growing religion with close to 1.6billion followers in all corners of the world...from Alaska to Japan...Unless those 1.6 Billion people are all stupids..



She wrote in another thread.............

Setanta wrote:
I notice that you side-step the entire issue of Ayesha.



No Muslim is side-stepping the issue of Aisha RA (The wife of Prophet Mohamed SAW)....

Let us go point to point.........


WHAT IS THE AGE CONSENT TO SEX IN VARIOUS SOCIETIES OF THE WORLD INCLUDING THE SO CALLED "LIBERATED" WESTERN COUNTRIES"....

The age of sexual consent is still quite low in many places in the world. In Japan, people can legally have sex at age 13, and in Spain they can legally have sex at age 12. (This data comes from the Age of Consent chart, which you can see at: http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm)

while

40-year-old man having sex with a 14-year-old woman may be a "pedophile" in the USA today, but not in China today (where the age of consent is 14), nor in the USA last century. Biology is a much better standard by which to determine these things in my view, not the arbitrariness of human culture.


and in USA..........................

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***** In the USA last century, the age of consent was 10 years old. California was the first state to change the age of consent to 14, which it did in 1889. After California, other US states joined in and raised the age of consent too. (Source: http://www.ageofconsent.com/comments/numberone.htm)


Much has been said about AYESHA.....but let me assure you,
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The scenario sorrounding Aisha RA controversy is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from this one ...where Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex in both the Talmud and the Bible.



Read AISHA preface here before I give you a link that explains this issues properly...Aisha in Islam:

Let's discuss the age of Aisha being 9 when she married our Prophet in Islam!

First of all, it is important to know:

That Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to our Prophet, and that no Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. Anyway, the reason no one objected was to the Prophet's marriage was:

1. People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.

2. Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries.

But when You read about AISHA in ISLAMIC context devoid of Misconceptions..You will find a very humble woman, a wife of the prophet of Islam and how highly she was valued in Islam...

Read Aisha here..........

http://www.angelfire.com/ny/dawahpage/aisha.html

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I think SETANTA would be bold enough to admit...

Regrettably, for those of us trying to spread the truth of Islam in the West, we often have to agree with the Orientalist W. Montgomery Watt when he wrote:

........Of all the world's great men none has been so much
maligned as Muhammad.



SOURCE: http://www.authenticsunnah.org/age3.htm
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 26 Feb, 2007 08:29 am
Shocked Time to make the popcorn...
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fresco
 
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Reply Mon 26 Feb, 2007 09:11 am
Make some for me Bill !

The key point here is that on the one hand the Islamicists argue that Mohammed was "a man of his time " yet on the other they argue that the morality preached by him involves "eternal truth". They want it both ways ! That same "morality" allowed a perverted Mullah in Iran to execute sixteen year old girls for "sexual immorality" and to prevent fire crews in Mecca from rescuing female students from a blaze who were "improperly dressed". The same "morality" conditions mothers of would be suicide bombers to send them gladly to their deaths as long as it involves the destruction of infidels. This is the medieval abyss which they have the nerve to claim is the moral highground !
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 26 Feb, 2007 01:34 pm
Yup, pure hypocrisy. What precisely does time have to do with anything? Had Allah not grown up yet?
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mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 27 Feb, 2007 12:23 am
Re: AISHA'S AGE AND NEW PROPAGANDA AGAINST ISLAM....
dalahow2 wrote:
First of all, it is important to know:

That Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to our Prophet, and that no Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. Anyway, the reason no one objected was to the Prophet's marriage was:

1. People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.

2. Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries.


Wishing does not make it so. By Arabic custom she was his foster niece.

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Some Muslims claim that it was Abu Bakr who approached Muhammad asking him to marry his daughter. This is of course not true and here is the proof.

Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

Arabs were a primitive lot with little rules to abide. Yet they had some code of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and did not make war against it. An adopted son's wife was deemed to be a daughter in law and they would not marry her. Also it was customary that close friends made a pact of brotherhood and considered each other as true brothers. The Prophet disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood between him and his interests or whims.

Abu Bakr and Muhammad had pledged to each other to be brothers. So according to their costoms Ayesha was supposed to be like a niece to the Holy Prophet. Yet that did not stop him to ask her hand even when she was only six years old.
But this moral relativist Prophet would use the same excuse to reject a woman he did not like.

Sahih Bukhari V.7, B62, N. 37
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
It was said to the Prophet, "Won't you marry the daughter of Hamza?" He said, "She is my foster niece (brother's daughter). "

Hamza and Abu Bakr both were the foster brothers of Muhammad. But Ayesha must have been too pretty for the Prophet to abide by the codes of ethics and custom.


http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm
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