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AISHA'S AGE AND NEW PROPAGANDA AGAINST ISLAM....

 
 
Abid
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 09:36 am
FreeDuck wrote:
Abid wrote:
This situation does not disprove the fact that Islam is the religion of God.


How can it be the religion of God when it is built on top of two others that also purport to be the religion of God. How is it possible that an almighty creator and father to all of humanity would create only one religion for them? This is my beef with all of the Abrahamic religions. To believe that there is only one true religion is to belief that something as infinite and complex as the concept of God has only one dimension. It isn't possible.


Where does christianity say that it is the final religion? The Bibile talks of the coming of another prophet!!!

Judasim believes that there is another prophet coming also. They also think all outside of the 12 tribes are sub-servient so what does that tell you about how much of the faith remains intact of the original.

But both do not believe that Muhammed (saw) was that prophet.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 09:44 am
So what are you saying, that Islam isn't the religion of God but the last and final religion of God? What are all of the other religions?
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Abid
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 09:54 am
They are gudience to correct the people who went astray
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 09:57 am
Re: AISHA'S AGE AND NEW PROPAGANDA AGAINST ISLAM....
Abid wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Abid wrote:
Youngest person on record to have a child is 8 years old in Argentina.
If god didnt want people having children so young, he wouldnt allow them to mensturate so young.
Facts of life!


Wow.

It sure sounds as it you're advocating having sex with 8 year olds.

Is that something Islam taught you?




<crickets>


Im not advocating anything.

Im just saying it can happen.

Its not up to me to judge it.


Really?

Islamic terrorists can fly airplanes into buildings ... it can happen.

Can I assume you think it's not up to you to judge that either?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 09:57 am
Who are? Astray from what?
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Abid
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 10:09 am
Re: AISHA'S AGE AND NEW PROPAGANDA AGAINST ISLAM....
Ticomaya wrote:
Abid wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Abid wrote:
Youngest person on record to have a child is 8 years old in Argentina.
If god didnt want people having children so young, he wouldnt allow them to mensturate so young.
Facts of life!


Wow.

It sure sounds as it you're advocating having sex with 8 year olds.

Is that something Islam taught you?


<crickets>


Im not advocating anything.

Im just saying it can happen.

Its not up to me to judge it.


Really?

Islamic terrorists can fly airplanes into buildings ... it can happen.

Can I assume you think it's not up to you to judge that either?


This can be judged because Allah has told us that killing innocent people is wrong.
Furthermore we have been told explicitly do not harm yourselves.

This shows us that suicide killings are forbidden.
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Abid
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 10:11 am
FreeDuck wrote:
Who are? Astray from what?


The people of the book are astray from their prophets orignal teachings
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 10:13 am
Re: AISHA'S AGE AND NEW PROPAGANDA AGAINST ISLAM....
Abid wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Really?

Islamic terrorists can fly airplanes into buildings ... it can happen.

Can I assume you think it's not up to you to judge that either?


This can be judged because Allah has told us that killing innocent people is wrong.
Furthermore we have been told explicitly do not harm yourselves.

This shows us that suicide killings are forbidden.


How nice. Why do you suppose all those Islamic terrorists didn't get the message?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 10:20 am
Abid wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Who are? Astray from what?


The people of the book are astray from their prophets orignal teachings


So the other religions are legit ways to lead them back? You said Islam was the religion of God. Are you now saying that the other religions are useful too, but not of God? I'm trying to figure out what you're saying here.
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Abid
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 10:31 am
FreeDuck wrote:
Abid wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Who are? Astray from what?


The people of the book are astray from their prophets orignal teachings


So the other religions are legit ways to lead them back? You said Islam was the religion of God. Are you now saying that the other religions are useful too, but not of God? I'm trying to figure out what you're saying here.


It was legitimate for the original followers of the faith.
E.g - The orginal Jews of Moses were true muslims (submitters to God as was Moses)
The orginal followers of Jesus who taught to worship one God and not ascribe partners with Him was also a muslim as were his followers.

The ones who altered this teaching and their followers were astray.
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 11:38 am
Re: AISHA'S AGE AND NEW PROPAGANDA AGAINST ISLAM....
Ticomaya wrote:
Abid wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Really?

Islamic terrorists can fly airplanes into buildings ... it can happen.

Can I assume you think it's not up to you to judge that either?


This can be judged because Allah has told us that killing innocent people is wrong.
Furthermore we have been told explicitly do not harm yourselves.

This shows us that suicide killings are forbidden.


How nice. Why do you suppose all those Islamic terrorists didn't get the message?


Maybe it's because they are simple minded and based the interepretation of Quran on their own opinions. But they should have known that anyone who takes his own life goes to Hell.

Or it could just refer to this Hadith-

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "There will appear some people among you whose prayer will make you look down upon yours, and whose fasting will make you look down upon yours, but they will recite the Qur'an which will not exceed their throats (they will not act on it) and they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out through the game whereupon the archer would examine the arrowhead but see nothing, and look at the unfeathered arrow but see nothing, and look at the arrow feathers but see nothing, and finally he suspects to find something in the lower part of the arrow."
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 11:38 am
Abid wrote:
... I reverted to Islam 6 months ago ...

That is entirely unsurprising and explains much.

Abid wrote:
You are correct. there are no Islamic states that prctice Sharia law properly. The leaders of many have become greedy and power driven and as a result their subjects suffer. Many countries are so up the US's ass that they will do anything to keep it like that.

There's that evasion of responsibility through unsubstantiable claim of victimhood thing again.

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Did you know that if every arab investor pulled their money out of the USA that your whole economy would collapse?

While such is improbable to the point of being unworthy of consideration, the full withdrawl of Arab investment from the US economy would be a major inconvenience, with negative ramifications throughout the global economy (including the Arab World - in which note, BTW, that while the Arab nations predominantly are overwhelmingly Islamic by population, the nations with the largest Islamic populations are not Arab), but hardly would it "collapse" the US economy. Foreign investment in the US, despite currently low-by-comparison US interest rates, is driven by the fact the US economy is, historically has been, and for the foreseeable future promises to remain the largest, most stable, most diverse, and most robust economy on the planet, a circumstance occasioned by numerous factors and without reasonable prospect of significant change.

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Why does the US take so much effort into educationg, courting and assisting the regimes of the middle east? Like Bin Laden, Sadaam Hussain, The Saudi royals etc.?

Your question, apart from its unsubstantiable implied claims, evidences a faulty, woefully oversimplistic understanding of global politico-economics.

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Its sad but true that manipulation, money and power have ways of destroying people.

Indeed - and nowhere on the planet is such evidenced more clearly than in the all-but-universally oppressively oligarchic Islamic world. Where are Islamic states pouring money and resources into alleviating poverty, ignorance, disease, and oppression? Where is the outrage from the Islamic world for Islamic-derived terrorism? Where in the Islamic world is the outrage for totalitarian government? Where in the Islamic world is there active effort and forward-looking unity of purpose in the interest of improving the plight of those peoples held in thrall to Islamic oligarchy?
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 11:54 am
FreeDuck wrote:
So what are you saying, that Islam isn't the religion of God but the last and final religion of God? What are all of the other religions?


They were steps to the final step of God's plan. He gave mankind numerous chances to submit to His will, everytime He sent a prophet they tried to kill him. Many times they did kill them or as soon as their sent prophet died they went astray again; going back to pre-religion practices (fornication, murder, etc.). God sent over 40,000 prophets, sometimes more than one in a single night (ie. to the Tribes of Isreal). Thus when God finally sent his final Revelation and prophet, He vowed it wouldn't change similarly to the previous Scriptures - which is why there are no more prophets anymore. That's it, you either choose the final Revelation God sent or you stay among the astrayed and face your fate.

All the religions essentially taught the same practices, however people used to change them and claim they were the 'new' word of God to make a profit off it. God mentions them in the Quran, nothing but fire will burn in their stomachs.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 12:08 pm
Raul-7 wrote:

All the religions essentially taught the same practices, however people used to change them and claim they were the 'new' word of God to make a profit off it. God mentions them in the Quran, nothing but fire will burn in their stomachs.


I know a fundamentalist Christian who thinks the same thing, essentially. He believes that there is only one valid translation of the Bible and that it must be taken literally. He believes all other translations are the work of the devil trying to change the word of God. Likewise, he believes that Islam is a false religion because it changes what he believes is the word of God. He sees Mohammed as one of the people who changed religion and claimed he had the 'new' word of God, as you say.

As soon as you accept this belief that there can be only one true religion (coincidentally, the one you happen to belong to), or one way to find God (or go to heaven, or whatever floats your boat) then you are endlessly trapped and prevented from finding God. By necessity, in order for your beliefs to be true you must believe the others to be false or flawed in some way. It is a recipe for intolerance and ignorance, and cause for strife that cannot be settled.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 12:32 pm
Common to many major religions is some variant of the precept "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Islam (which word translates most accurately as "Submission"), however, explicitly decrees intolerance for those who do not submit, or at the very least defer, to Islam, regarding all such as, at the most charitable, an underclass, while in broad instance defining and declaring those who do not defer and/or submit to Islam to be enemies actively to be confronted, opposed and destroyed, if not by the faithful then by their god.
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 12:36 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Common to many major religions is some variant of the precept "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Islam (which word translates most accurately as "Submission"), however, explicitly decrees intolerance for those who do not submit, or at the very least defer, to Islam, regarding all such as, at the most charitable, an underclass, while in broad instance defining and declaring those who do not defer and/or submit to Islam to be enemies actively to be confronted, opposed and destroyed, if not by the faithful then by their god.


I already posted this was false.

...God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you over religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just. God merely forbids you from taking as friends those who have fought you over religion and driven you from your homes and who supported your expulsion... (Surat al-Mumtahana: 8-9)
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 12:43 pm
But that's pretty much the case with old testament judaism as well, timber. Jesus brought the golden rule to the abrahamic faiths, and christians have been steadily shoving it to the bottom ever since.

We all know that there is often a big difference between what is written and what is practiced. For some religions, the intolerance is written and not practiced, for others it is not written but is practiced, ideally it would be neither. As far as I'm concerned, whether written or practiced, all three of these monotheistic religions are susceptible to intolerance and cruelty.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 12:50 pm
Raul-7 wrote:
I already posted this was false.

...God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you over religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just. God merely forbids you from taking as friends those who have fought you over religion and driven you from your homes and who supported your expulsion... (Surat al-Mumtahana: 8-9)



I submit, Raul, that apart from numerous conflicting, even contradictory, bits of Qu'ranic scripture, the historic record of Islam's practice renders your objection specious.
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Grandmaster
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 01:03 pm
1. In the medieval times scientists (the likes of Galileo) were prosecuted by Church leaders if scientific findings contradicted the Bible. Christianity is based on a book that reveals many unscientific statements....

Such as:

a. The earth was created 6000 years ago.
b. The earth is flat.
c. God created vegetables before he created the sun.

However, the hole Quran also contains scientific statements that are 100% accurate. Laughing


2. Islam gave birth to civilization... Muslims lighted up the streets of Cordoba (in Spain) while people lived in shacks in London and Paris. Europeans were backward up until the 15th century. While a Science Conference took place in Baghdad in the 8th century.


3. Islamic ethics are far superior than any other religion. In the Quran, the blame is put on BOTH Adam and Eve for eating the forbidden fruit. The sexist Bible tells us a different story based on ''eve the temptress''... Rolling Eyes


Islam is indeed the religion of mankind... Its followers are from every racial, national and cultural background. thus, it is also the fastest-growing religion on Earth....
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 01:08 pm
Grandmaster wrote:
the hole Quran


I find amusement everywhere.
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