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Why Iraq is a success

 
 
Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 08:41 am
Why Iraq is a success
Posted: December 22, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

The nation and economy known as the new Iraq is succeeding, and those who dispute this are simply lying.

Call it whatever you'd like - a quagmire, a country torn by violence, the next Vietnam - but it is dishonest to say that this nation is not a success. Government corruption, uncontrolled militias and (as the drive-by media like to remind us) daily attacks using improvised exploding devices - but it is not an economy going under.

Take yourself back to the days following 9-11. Do you remember the near stand still our economy experienced? The airline industry down for days and the markets went into the tank. I can only surmise that similar bumps in our economic stability would be felt if we were seeing radicals crossing the borders from our neighbors (and who knows - they probably are) and decided once here they would blow up policemen, military check-points and passing civilians on a daily basis.

Despite the violence, the economic growth in Iraq is defying all expectations by nearly any observer.

Want proof?

The leading cell phone company, Iraqna, is set to take in nearly $520 million in revenues in 2006. That follows a record year in 2005 of $333 million. The leading export of Iraq is producing nearly $41 billion in revenues. In 2004, there were only 8,000 registered companies with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce - today there are over 34,000.

While we in the U.S. are thrilled to hear about GDP (gross domestic product) growth coming in at around 4 percent (so much so that it begins to bring down our national debt faster than expected), imagine enjoying Iraq's GDP growth of 13 percent in 2006 - which followed a record year in 2005 of 17 percent.

Since 2003, the salaries of average Iraqis have risen in excess of 100 percent. In addition, the Iraqi government has slashed the income tax rates from 45 percent to just around 15 percent. That has resulted in the average Iraqi family being able to develop long-term nest eggs (we call them IRAs).

Gasoline is only 56 cents a gallon. It wouldn't be that high except that Iraq decided to pay off some of its debt to the World Bank and is using energy profits to do so.

In addition, much of the formerly centralized organization of the economy has been turned over to private sector endeavors, and while some government sectors have seen a spike in unemployment, private sector unemployment is hovering around 30 percent. (High to you and me, but still better than in the Saddam era.)

There will be many who will read this latest round of good news and dismiss it out of hand. But thinking people will understand that this growth did not happen in a vacuum.

Are there still significant challenges before the Iraqis? Yes, and there will be for decades - but the violence so reported in the daily news grind does not begin to give one even a slight glimpse of the entire picture.

The militias need to be disbanded. Iran needs to keeps its nose out of the Shia population, and the Saudis out of the Sunnis. But while these debates are occurring, don't miss what's happening behind the scenes. Every single day 25 million Iraqis are going to jobs, coming home, paying bills, putting some into savings, educating their children - and living in freedom.

Those who still disagree will argue that their freedom was not worth the cost in the numbers of lost American lives. And they do so dishonestly - knowing that we've lost fewer lives in the Global War on Terror than in any other armed conflict America has fought in (based on the numbers of American citizens and the percentage serving during war time).

But some things are more valuable than life, and freedom is just such a treasure. Honorable people have always recognized this and in turn expressed tremendous gratitude for the sacrifice made. Dishonorable people have always preferred tyranny to freedom, and the most dishonorable believe in freedom only for themselves.

The Global War on Terror has been and will continue to be a tough, long slog. In Iraq, the news has not been the best in recent months. Yet there is good news, and it deserves to be noted.

Iraq will succeed. The terrorists will fail. And the longer the arm of freedom can reach, the more both statements will be proven true.

And in an economic sense - we need no greater proof.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 08:50 am
look McGentrix... up there... why... it's a sleigh being pulled by eight reindeer....
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:04 am
I've just looked one of those "facts" in McG's source, unemployment:

either that is untrue or the UK's government (and UN-agencies, the World Bank etc , since they quoted those as sources) are lying again: according to Baroness Amos (in 2004, as President of the Council, Privy Council Office), the unemployment in pre-war Iraq was 30% and didn't change significantly afterwards.


So follow bear's advice ...
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:07 am
Re: Why Iraq is a success
McGentrix wrote:
Why Iraq is a success
Posted: December 22, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

The nation and economy known as the new Iraq is succeeding, and those who dispute this are simply lying.


It's not often I get to see McG post an article calling the president a liar.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:07 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I've just looked one of those "facts" in McG's source, unemployment:

either that is untrue or the UK's government (and UN-agencies, the World Bank etc , since they quoted those as sources) are lying again: according to Baroness Amos (in 2004, as President of the Council, Privy Council Office), the unemployment in pre-war Iraq was 30% and didn't change significantly afterwards.


So follow bear's advice ...


Link?
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:08 am
Re: Why Iraq is a success
McGentrix wrote:
While we in the U.S. are thrilled to hear about GDP (gross domestic product) growth coming in at around 4 percent (so much so that it begins to bring down our national debt faster than expected)....


We in the US are NOT being thrilled to hear that GDP is coming in around 4 percent. According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, the GDP rose only 2.2 percent annual rate in the latest quarter. It rose only 2.6% the quarter before that. And in the past year as a whole, it only rose 3 percent.

The normal rise since 1950 is 3.3 percent a year.

If this World Net Daily author is so far off for the economic figures of the USA, how can we take seriously any of his figures for Iraq?
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:09 am
If Iraq is a success I can't imagine what failure would look like. Probably total elimination of the population.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:11 am
apparently it's okay to blow a country to bits and walk around splattered in blood as long as you have a Razr.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:12 am
McGentrix wrote:
Link?


Written answers
Monday, 23 February 2004
House of Lords
Iraq: UnemploymentBaroness Williams of Crosby (Liberal Democrat) asked Her Majesty's Government


Should be easily to be found online. I've got it only as an attachment to a private letter.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:18 am
Re: Why Iraq is a success
kelticwizard wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
While we in the U.S. are thrilled to hear about GDP (gross domestic product) growth coming in at around 4 percent (so much so that it begins to bring down our national debt faster than expected)....


We in the US are NOT being thrilled to hear that GDP is coming in around 4 percent. According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, the GDP rose only 2.2 percent annual rate in the latest quarter. It rose only 2.6% the quarter before that. And in the past year as a whole, it only rose 3 percent.

The normal rise since 1950 is 3.3 percent a year.

If this World Net Daily author is so far off for the economic figures of the USA, how can we take seriously any of his figures for Iraq?


Quote:
Current-dollar GDP

Current-dollar GDP -- the market value of the nation's output of goods and services -- increased
3.8 percent, or $125.3 billion, in the third quarter to a level of $13,322.6 billion. In the second quarter,
current-dollar GDP increased 5.9 percent, or $188.9 billion.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:19 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Link?


Written answers
Monday, 23 February 2004
House of Lords
Iraq: UnemploymentBaroness Williams of Crosby (Liberal Democrat) asked Her Majesty's Government


Should be easily to be found online. I've got it only as an attachment to a private letter.


Then it shouldn't be too hard for you to find. I'll wait as it won't be long, right?
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:19 am
Gosh, the author of that article is something of an optimist, isn't he?:

"The Global War on Terror has been and will continue to be a tough, long slog. In Iraq, the news has not been the best in recent months. ..."

Not the best?

That'd be funny if the situation in Iraq wasn't so tragic!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:22 am
If it wasn't Christmas in two days ...

Here, though only semi-official.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:22 am
From McGentrix' OWN LINK:

GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT: THIRD QUARTER 2006 (FINAL)
CORPORATE PROFITS: THIRD QUARTER 2006 (FINAL)


Real gross domestic product -- the output of goods and services produced by labor and property located in the United States -- increased at an annual rate of 2.0 percent in the third quarter of 2006,
according to final estimates released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the second quarter, real GDP increased 2.6 percent.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:27 am
Re: Why Iraq is a success
From the same author:

Titanic's Maiden Voyage a Success
Posted: April 15, 1912

The maiden voyage of the RMS Titanic was a major success, and those who dispute this are simply lying.

Call it whatever you'd like -- a disaster, a catastrophe, a big disappointment -- but it is dishonest to say that it was not a success. Sure, the ship didn't actually make it to its destination, and a few lives were lost along the way -- but it is not like there were two ships that hit that iceberg last night...
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:27 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
If it wasn't Christmas in two days ...

Here, though only semi-official.


Thank you Walter, but from reading it, it appears to fall short of a typical Waltism (tm).

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Baroness Amos (President of the Council, Privy Council Office) | Hansard source

No official figures of the Iraqi labour force exist, so only broad estimates of unemployment are possible. Current estimates suggest neither a significant rise nor fall in unemployment over the last year. The United Nations and World Bank social and economic needs assessments on Iraq last year estimated that the unemployment rate before the 2003 war was around 30 per cent. Unofficial estimates of the current unemployment rate are in the range of 20 to 30 per cent.

In addition to the numbers unemployed, a significant proportion of Iraq's workforce is underemployed. We estimate that the total of both unemployed and underemployed is currently in the region of 50 per cent. Figures for underemployment before the conflict do not exist.


Your assertion that the figures quoted in the article are wrong are based on vague statistics and hardly up to your standard. I expect more from the Waltisms (tm) based on prior experience.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:31 am
kelticwizard wrote:
From McGentrix' OWN LINK:

GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT: THIRD QUARTER 2006 (FINAL)
CORPORATE PROFITS: THIRD QUARTER 2006 (FINAL)


Real gross domestic product -- the output of goods and services produced by labor and property located in the United States -- increased at an annual rate of 2.0 percent in the third quarter of 2006,
according to final estimates released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the second quarter, real GDP increased 2.6 percent.


Yep, there are 2 separate trackings for GDP. You picked the one that you felt would refute what the author wrote, I have shown one that backs up his statistics. Both from the same source.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:34 am
McGentrix:

Then why does the Bureau of Economic Analysis call my figure "real GDP"?

If my figure is the real GDP, then what does that make World Net Daily's and your figure?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:36 am
kelticwizard wrote:
McGentrix:

Then why does the bureau of Economic Analysis call my figure "real GDP"?

If my figure is the "real GDP", then what does that make World Net Daily's and your figure?


It would make it the Current-dollar GDP -- the market value of the nation's output of goods and services. Just as the source says it is.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 09:39 am
But the Bureau Of Economic analysis has said it clearly-real GDP is 2.0 percent annual rate for the third quarter.

Why is World Net Daily pushing figures for the GDP which the government admits are not the real figures? And YOU are cooperating in this sham!
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