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WHY ISLAM MISTREATS WOMEN...............A must read for all

 
 
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WHY ISLAM MISTREATS WOMEN.............A must read article.....
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Grandmaster
 
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Reply Tue 19 Dec, 2006 02:48 pm
Thank you :wink:
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mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 19 Dec, 2006 06:12 pm
Recommended reading.

Women in the Quran
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Eorl
 
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Reply Tue 19 Dec, 2006 08:13 pm
I have yet to see anything posted that defends Islam by refering to anything other than Judeo-Christianity.

It's always, "you think we are bad, YOU are worse" with the assumption that everyone who is not muslim, is christian or Jew!
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mesquite
 
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Reply Wed 20 Dec, 2006 12:22 am
So true Eorl. Even though the Bible and Torah and Quran all are backward and barbaric, except for rare cases it is only the muslims that you see living under the literal interpretation. There you see entire nations hobbled buy ancient superstition.
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dalahow2
 
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Reply Wed 20 Dec, 2006 09:06 am
Women
Nobody talks about this kind of verses from the Holy Quraan....

The Holy Quran emphasises that God in His perfect wisdom has created all species, women and men, as is said:

"O mankind, be mindful of your duty to your Lord, Who created you from a single soul and form it created its mate and from the two spread many men and women." (4:2)

"He it is Who has created you from a single soul and made there from its mate, so that the male might incline towards the female and find comfort in Her." (7:190)

"Of His signs it is that He has created mates for you of your on kind that you may find peace of mind through them, and He has put love and tenderness between you. In that surely are Signs for a people who reflect." (30:22)
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Grandmaster
 
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Reply Wed 20 Dec, 2006 01:21 pm
Unlike the barbaric West, women getting raped is very uncommon in the Islamic world...

In Islam, women were given the right to vote 1300 years ago. Barbaric West couldn't even imagine giving women such right 100 years ago...

Shows that mere technological avancements does not make a region civilized.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 20 Dec, 2006 01:39 pm
mesquite wrote:
Recommended reading.

Women in the Quran


At the end of the 70s and the beginning of the 80s, one of the people for whom i worked was Evelyne Accad, a Lebanese woman working in the United States, who wrote extensively on that topic. Her area of expertise was French literature, and in particular, literature of the middle east and north Africa (a great many Muslims in those areas speak French as their principle European language). Veil of Shame: The Role of Women in the Contemporary Fiction of North Africa and the Arab World was the book she was working on when i knew her, and it was that book, and conversations with Miss Accad which lead me to make a detailed study of the Islamic and Arab worlds.
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 20 Dec, 2006 01:52 pm
The Veil and the Male Elite

A feminist interpretation of women's rights in Islam
by Fatima Mernissi.
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2006 02:37 am
mesquite wrote:
So true Eorl. Even though the Bible and Torah and Quran all are backward and barbaric, except for rare cases it is only the muslims that you see living under the literal interpretation. There you see entire nations hobbled buy ancient superstition.


Oh, yes a religion that put an end to pagan customs, such as burying their daughters alive out of shame is backwards.
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Grandmaster
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2006 03:27 am
Billy Graham, the eminent Christian evangelist has recognized this fact: "Christianity cannot compromise on the question of polygamy. If present-day Christianity cannot do so, it is to its own detriment. Islam has permitted polygamy as a solution to social ills and has allowed a certain degree of latitude to human nature but only within the strictly defined framework of the law. Christian countries make a great show of monogamy, but actually they practice polygamy. No one is unaware of the part mistresses play in Western society. In this respect Islam is a fundamentally honest religion, and permits a Muslim to marry a second wife if he must, but strictly forbids all clandestine amatory associations in order to safeguard the moral probity of the community."
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dalahow2
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2006 06:51 am
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Setanta wrote:
mesquite wrote:


At the end of the 70s and the beginning of the 80s, one of the people for whom i worked was Evelyne Accad, a Lebanese woman working in the United States, who wrote extensively on that topic. Her area of expertise was French literature, and in particular, literature of the middle east and north Africa (a great many Muslims in those areas speak French as their principle European language). Veil of Shame: The Role of Women in the Contemporary Fiction of North Africa and the Arab World was the book she was working on when i knew her, and it was that book, and conversations with Miss Accad which lead me to make a detailed study of the Islamic and Arab worlds.


It is no news to quote a non-muslim writing a book about Islam..

Just like the Pope who on noticing Islam taking many christian converts started quoting a 12th Century christian monk to talk about Islam..
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2006 06:57 am
Raul-7 wrote:
mesquite wrote:
So true Eorl. Even though the Bible and Torah and Quran all are backward and barbaric, except for rare cases it is only the muslims that you see living under the literal interpretation. There you see entire nations hobbled buy ancient superstition.


Oh, yes a religion that put an end to pagan customs, such as burying their daughters alive out of shame is backwards.


No more backward that assembling a harem of rich widows, and finishing the whole affair by marrying a nine-year-old girl.
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2006 02:49 pm
Setanta wrote:
Raul-7 wrote:
mesquite wrote:
So true Eorl. Even though the Bible and Torah and Quran all are backward and barbaric, except for rare cases it is only the muslims that you see living under the literal interpretation. There you see entire nations hobbled buy ancient superstition.


Oh, yes a religion that put an end to pagan customs, such as burying their daughters alive out of shame is backwards.


No more backward that assembling a harem of rich widows, and finishing the whole affair by marrying a nine-year-old girl.


Again with your false misconceptions. If you actually read about his life instead reading some bullshit of an anti-Islamic site you would see that he lived rather poorly. He used to fast every Monday and Thursday; and in no way did he live lavishly. Materiliasim is contrary to the concept of Islam - all the money in his will went to the poor.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2006 02:54 pm
I notice that you side-step the entire issue of Ayesha. Nevertheless, any "evidence" you produce dates from centuries after his death. What is laughably absurd is to see Muslim condemn others for being backward.
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real life
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2006 08:03 pm
Grandmaster wrote:
Billy Graham, the eminent Christian evangelist has recognized this fact: "Christianity cannot compromise on the question of polygamy. If present-day Christianity cannot do so, it is to its own detriment. Islam has permitted polygamy as a solution to social ills and has allowed a certain degree of latitude to human nature but only within the strictly defined framework of the law. Christian countries make a great show of monogamy, but actually they practice polygamy. No one is unaware of the part mistresses play in Western society. In this respect Islam is a fundamentally honest religion, and permits a Muslim to marry a second wife if he must, but strictly forbids all clandestine amatory associations in order to safeguard the moral probity of the community."


Let's pretend the Muslims dream comes true.

All the world converts to Islam.

And all Muslim men decide to follow the Prophet's example and marry multiple wives.

OOOOOOOOOOPS.

How's that gonna work since the ratio of men to women is roughly 1:1 ?

What's the 'Muslim solution' to this? Lots of wars to kill off enough men?
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2006 09:16 pm
What happens?

Natural selection. Survival of the fitest.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2006 09:25 pm
Grandmaster wrote:
Unlike the barbaric West, women getting raped is very uncommon in the Islamic world...

In Islam, women were given the right to vote 1300 years ago. Barbaric West couldn't even imagine giving women such right 100 years ago...

Shows that mere technological avancements does not make a region civilized.


In Iran, for example, there is no rape at all.

Of course, they hang 16 year old girls for being forced to have sex with grown men when they were 14. But that's a whole other matter. And it's not the man's fault.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 12:31 am
Yep. Islamic justice in action.

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In August 2004, Iran's Islamic penal system sentenced a 16-year-old girl, Atefeh Rajabi, to death after a sham trial, in which she was accused of committing "acts incompatible with chastity".

The teenage victim had no access to a lawyer at any stage and efforts by her family to retain one were to no avail. Atefeh personally defended herself and told the religious judge that he should punish those who force women into adultery, not the victims. She was eventually hanged in public in the northern town of Neka.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Fri 22 Dec, 2006 01:09 am
From Wiki:

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Atefeh reportedly had no access to legal counsel and her death sentence was upheld by a Supreme Court of conservative mullahs. Haji Rezaii, the religious judge, was reportedly so incensed with Atefeh's "sharp tongue" during the trial that he travelled to Tehran to convince the mullahs of the Supreme Court to uphold the death sentence. According to Amnesty International, it was reported that she suffered from psychological illness, both during the trials and at the time she committed the crime. She was publicly hanged from a crane in Neka, Iran, in August 2004, the noose being applied by the lower court judge himself. Amnesty International, as well as human rights organizations from the international community at large, declared her killing to be a crime against humanity and against children of the world.
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