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Ex-Gitmo inmates set free abroad

 
 
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NickFun
 
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Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2006 10:17 pm
A good percentage of those housed at Guantanamo have never been charged with anything. Due process is meaningless over there. Guantanamo should be shut down forever.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2006 11:25 pm
Ex-Gitmo detainees return to terror

ASSOCIATED PRESS
At least seven former prisoners of the United States at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have returned to terrorism, despite gaining their freedom by signing pledges to renounce violence.
At least two are believed to have died in fighting in Afghanistan, and a third was recaptured during a raid on a suspected training camp in Afghanistan, said Lt. Cmdr. Flex Plexico, a Pentagon spokesman. Others are at large.
Additional former detainees have expressed a desire to rejoin the fight, be it against U.N. peacekeepers in Afghanistan, Americans in Iraq or Russians in Chechnya.
U.S. officials released 146 detainees from Guantanamo, but only after determining the prisoners no longer posed threats and had no remaining intelligence value.
Pentagon officials acknowledged that the release process is imperfect, but they said most of the Guantanamo detainees released have steered clear of Islamist insurgent groups.
The number returning to the fight demonstrates the delicate balance the United States must strike between minimizing the appearance of holding people unjustly and keeping those who are legitimate long-term threats, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said.
Human rights groups frequently criticize the Defense Department for holding hundreds of prisoners at the naval base, largely without charges or legal counsel. Many have been held for more than two years; only a few have been charged.
Another 57 Guantanamo prisoners have been transferred to the custody of their home governments, including 29 to Pakistan, seven to Russia, five each to Morocco, and four each to France and Saudi Arabia.
The Pentagon did not identify the seven detainees believed to have returned to fighting, although a few names have been made public. One released detainee killed a judge leaving a mosque in Afghanistan, Cmdr. Plexico said.
The former prisoners who returned to terrorism include Abdullah Mehsud, a former Guantanamo Bay detainee linked to al Qaeda who oversaw the recent kidnapping of two Chinese engineers, one of whom was killed.
On Friday, Pakistani soldiers began a massive search for Mehsud, 28, who returned to Pakistan in March after about two years' detention at Guantanamo. Pakistan officials say he has forged ties with al Qaeda since then.
One of the two former prisoners killed is Maulvi Abdul Ghaffar, a senior Taliban commander in northern Afghanistan who was arrested about two months after a U.S.-led coalition drove the militia from power in late 2001.
He was held at Guantanamo for eight months, then released, and was killed on Sept. 26 by Afghan security forces during a raid in Uruzgan province. Afghan leaders said they believed he was leading Taliban forces in the southern province.
Maj. Gen. Eric Olson, the No. 2 commander of U.S. troops in Afghanistan, told the Associated Press this month that there was no alternative to releasing prisoners.
"It's not going to be perfect, so [the Ghaffar case] has not led to any soul-searching about the release program," Gen. Olson said.
Other former prisoners have said publicly that they wanted to return to the fight.
In Denmark, Slimane Hadj Abderrahmane, 31, who was released in February from the U.S. naval base on Cuba's southeastern tip, said he would go to Chechnya to fight with rebels there against Russia.
"The Muslims are oppressed in Chechnya, and the Russians are carrying out terror against them," the Dane, who has an Algerian father, told Danish television in September.
Abderrahmane, who was never charged in Denmark upon his return, later backtracked.
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NickFun
 
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Reply Sat 23 Dec, 2006 11:53 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Ex-Gitmo detainees return to terror

ASSOCIATED PRESS

U.S. officials released 146 detainees from Guantanamo, but only after determining the prisoners no longer posed threats and had no remaining intelligence value.

More than likely they never HAD any intelligennce value and never posed a threat.

Pentagon officials acknowledged that the release process is imperfect, but they said most of the Guantanamo detainees released have steered clear of Islamist insurgent groups.

Or were never involved in Islamist insurgent groups.

The number returning to the fight demonstrates the delicate balance the United States must strike between minimizing the appearance of holding people unjustly and keeping those who are legitimate long-term threats, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said.

Holding people unjustly actually CREATES a threat!

Human rights groups frequently criticize the Defense Department for holding hundreds of prisoners at the naval base, largely without charges or legal counsel. Many have been held for more than two years; only a few have been charged.

In other words, they have been denied due process and their rights have been stripped away.

Another 57 Guantanamo prisoners have been transferred to the custody of their home governments, including 29 to Pakistan, seven to Russia, five each to Morocco, and four each to France and Saudi Arabia.

Out of these countries the only one who has been a threat is Saudi Arabia.




I could go on but even this article proves our government is totally reprehensible. McGentrix is under the delusion that our government is actually telling us the truth.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2006 12:00 am
see this thread for an australian perspective.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2423830#2423830

The Australian government refuses to pressure the USA administration for the release of its citizens.
Obviously the US feels that after 5 years David Hicks still has intelligence Value or continues to pose a threat. I find this all a little hard to swallow.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2006 07:39 am
NickFun wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Ex-Gitmo detainees return to terror

ASSOCIATED PRESS

U.S. officials released 146 detainees from Guantanamo, but only after determining the prisoners no longer posed threats and had no remaining intelligence value.

More than likely they never HAD any intelligennce value and never posed a threat.

Pentagon officials acknowledged that the release process is imperfect, but they said most of the Guantanamo detainees released have steered clear of Islamist insurgent groups.

Or were never involved in Islamist insurgent groups.

The number returning to the fight demonstrates the delicate balance the United States must strike between minimizing the appearance of holding people unjustly and keeping those who are legitimate long-term threats, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said.

Holding people unjustly actually CREATES a threat!

Human rights groups frequently criticize the Defense Department for holding hundreds of prisoners at the naval base, largely without charges or legal counsel. Many have been held for more than two years; only a few have been charged.

In other words, they have been denied due process and their rights have been stripped away.

Another 57 Guantanamo prisoners have been transferred to the custody of their home governments, including 29 to Pakistan, seven to Russia, five each to Morocco, and four each to France and Saudi Arabia.

Out of these countries the only one who has been a threat is Saudi Arabia.




I could go on but even this article proves our government is totally reprehensible. McGentrix is under the delusion that our government is actually telling us the truth.


Rights? What rights? How about we treat them like their own countries would. Give them the same rights as their home countries, which is worse I'm sure then they are treated now. They don't have any rights under the Constitution because they aren't US citizens and weren't picked up in the US.
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NickFun
 
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Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2006 10:22 am
So, you're saying that it's OK to pick up innocent people and incarcerate them for as long as we wish so long as it's not done on the mainland? Their own countries are worse? Show me proof! Even in their own countries they are not denied a fair trial. What could be worse than to linger in a prison cell day in and day out for years without charges not knowing if you will ever see your family again?

Hey Baldi. We are talking about HUMAN RIGHTS. Merry Xmas to you.
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NickFun
 
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Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2006 03:22 pm
The silence is deafening.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2006 03:31 pm
NickFun wrote:
So, you're saying that it's OK to pick up innocent people and incarcerate them for as long as we wish so long as it's not done on the mainland? Their own countries are worse? Show me proof! Even in their own countries they are not denied a fair trial. What could be worse than to linger in a prison cell day in and day out for years without charges not knowing if you will ever see your family again?

Hey Baldi. We are talking about HUMAN RIGHTS. Merry Xmas to you.


What I'm saying is this. I don't care how they are picked up, we don't pick them up and just send them to Gitmo. They run through a process in country and if they are found to be of use on intelligence then they are moved. I'm not saying just pick up any one but if they are doing sweeps in problem areas and a person is picked up and doesn't pass muster in KAF or BAF then they are being shipped for a reason. I could careless if these people are innocent or not. They did something that got the attention of the military and got picked up.

Should they be put on trial? Sure they should but when we have nothing left to get from them intel wise then they can go to court. We don't want an intel sourse going before a court and spilling his beans and letting out hints to others watching that we know what they are up to. Sorry but every now and then someone innocent is going to get pinched and it can't be helped.

By the way: Merry Christmas to you as well.

I didn't know Buddists celebrated XMAS.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2006 06:40 pm
Baldimo wrote:
What I'm saying is this. I don't care how they are picked up, we don't pick them up and just send them to Gitmo. They run through a process in country and if they are found to be of use on intelligence then they are moved. I'm not saying just pick up any one but if they are doing sweeps in problem areas and a person is picked up and doesn't pass muster in KAF or BAF then they are being shipped for a reason. I could careless if these people are innocent or not. They did something that got the attention of the military and got picked up.

Should they be put on trial? Sure they should but when we have nothing left to get from them intel wise then they can go to court. We don't want an intel sourse going before a court and spilling his beans and letting out hints to others watching that we know what they are up to. Sorry but every now and then someone innocent is going to get pinched and it can't be helped.


I once was talking with a couple of Chilean guys about Pinochet. They thought Pinochet was just great, and how bad it was that he was no longer around to lead the country.

I pointed out that during his time as "head of state", some 5000 people had been disappeared.

There answer was, basically, that certainly every now and then someone innocent was going to get pinched, but hey, that couldn't be helped.
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NickFun
 
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Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2006 08:04 pm
Baldimo wrote:
I could careless if these people are innocent or not. They did something that got the attention of the military and got picked up.

I didn't know Buddists celebrated XMAS.


And they get locked up for years, perhaps for life, without charges. The fact that you couldn't care less about their innocence tells me something about your character. How about if that was your son or daughter locked away in some foreign country with you having no ability to talk to them or visit them? Would you care then? These are human beings!

Buddhists do not celebrate Christmas as a religious holiday but as a time to celebrate family and friends.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2006 10:13 pm
NickFun wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
I could careless if these people are innocent or not. They did something that got the attention of the military and got picked up.

I didn't know Buddists celebrated XMAS.


And they get locked up for years, perhaps for life, without charges. The fact that you couldn't care less about their innocence tells me something about your character. How about if that was your son or daughter locked away in some foreign country with you having no ability to talk to them or visit them? Would you care then? These are human beings!

Buddhists do not celebrate Christmas as a religious holiday but as a time to celebrate family and friends.


If one of the terrorists that were help in Gitmo and then released killed someone in your family, would you still be compassionate?
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NickFun
 
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Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2006 11:20 pm
McG it would appear that you are either ignorant or nor reading the thread. Go back and reread what I wrote about the innocent and human rights abuses that our country is so guilty of. Perhaps you will find a mention of no due process and the innocent being held for years WITHOUT CHARGES. You blindly stand behind this administration as it leads our nation into the crapper.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 07:20 am
NickFun wrote:
McG it would appear that you are either ignorant or nor reading the thread. Go back and reread what I wrote about the innocent and human rights abuses that our country is so guilty of. Perhaps you will find a mention of no due process and the innocent being held for years WITHOUT CHARGES. You blindly stand behind this administration as it leads our nation into the crapper.


I asked you a question, you didn't answer it.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 07:58 am
McGentrix I hope that before you die you have a chance to engage in hand to hand combat to the death with a terrorist because it seems only that will satisfy you....or so you talk anyway. Laughing
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NickFun
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 09:44 am
McGentrix wrote:
NickFun wrote:
McG it would appear that you are either ignorant or nor reading the thread. Go back and reread what I wrote about the innocent and human rights abuses that our country is so guilty of. Perhaps you will find a mention of no due process and the innocent being held for years WITHOUT CHARGES. You blindly stand behind this administration as it leads our nation into the crapper.


I asked you a question, you didn't answer it.


The reason I didn't answer it is because it's one of the silliest question I have ever seen. You asking that if a man from another country whom I will never meet is acquitted in a court of law but then turns around and kills my family would I still feel compassion? How many innocent people do that? You are grasping at non-existent straws.
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