'We're Going to Win'

What role do the Jews play in all of this, Zippo?

I hate it when I have to side with Ticomaya

Really. The PNAC role in the Iraq war is well established. They were the architects of the war. They even went so far as to say in writing that a new Pearl Harbor would help their cause no end when time came to sell the war to Americans. It's no fun in the present atmosphere to have to tell the truth in a country where defending Israel no matter what they do brings cries of anti-semitism. A childish and warped bit of Swift Boating at best. But yes the PNAC had major Jewish players. Wolfie, Feith, Richard Pearle, Eliot Abrams and others who put their selfish aims above all else. And the game they play is the ends justifies the means even as the ends have turned to disaster. As for Israeli players in the scam that's well documented also. So let's hear some infantile screams of anti-semitism and dont forget to add that the many Jews on the planet who agree with the "anti-semites" are merely a bunch of "self-hating Jews". After all Swift Boaters have all the answers they need to provide themselves cover no matter how easy it is for objective people to see through the scam. "The spies who pushed for war"

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'We're Going to Win'

Now Bush is ready to gamble his presidency on a last-ditch effort to defeat the Sunni insurgency and establish a sustainable democracy in Iraq. He is prepared to defy the weary wisdom of Washington that it's too late, that the war in Iraq is lost, and that Bush's lone option is to retreat from Iraq as gracefully and with as little loss of face as possible. Bush only needed what his press secretary, Tony Snow, called a "plan for winning." Now he has one.

While the parasitic sycophants line up to admire the emperor's new clothes, let us remember a few facts that Bush is ignoring.

1. There were no WMDs in Iraq.

2. The American people know this.

3. Both Bush and Blair KNEW there were no WMDs in Iraq before the invasion even started.

4. The American people know this, too.

5. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.

6. Iraq was not aiding Al Qaeda.

7. The American people know all this as well.

8. This last election the American taxpayers sent a clear message to Washington DC. They did not so much vote a new Congress in as vote the old one out. But as the machinations surrounding Senator Tim Johnson's illness have shown, together with the potential of offering Joe Lieberman Bolton's old job, the politicians are not interested in what the voters want but in gaming the system to get what the politicians want.

The incoming Congress hasn't even seated yet and already the leadership, typified by Nancy Pelosi, are proving to be just as much the sell-outs as their predecessors. No doubt the Democrats would be perfectly happy to see the Senate swing back under Republican control as it will give them an excuse for why nothing is changing.

I think the US is headed for a "Saigon Moment" in Iraq, and, given the choice of that humiliation versus the "100 year war on terror" being offered up as an alternative, maybe that isn't such a bad thing.

The Keane-Kagan plan is not revolutionary. Rather, it is an application of a counterinsurgency approach that has proved to be effective elsewhere, notably in Vietnam. There, Gen. Creighton Abrams cleared out the Viet Cong so successfully that the South Vietnamese government took control of the country. Only when Congress cut off funds to South Vietnam in 1974 were the North Vietnamese able to win.

Before Bush announces his "new way forward" in Iraq in early January, he wants to be assured of two things. The first is that his plan can succeed. Initial evaluations of the Keane-Kagan plan at the Pentagon and elsewhere in the government have been positive. Alone among proposals for Iraq, the new Keane-Kagan strategy has a chance to succeed. Bush's second concern is to avert an explosion of opposition on Capitol Hill. Because this plan offers a credible prospect of winning in Iraq, moderate Democrats and queasy Republicans, the White House thinks, will be inclined to stand back and let Bush give it a shot.

The sooner Bush orders the plan into action, the better chances are that next Christmas he'll be telling White House guests that winning in Iraq is not just a goal. It could actually be happening.

I've never waivered from my belief that the strategic course of the Iraq War has been very successful, including defeating Saddam's Ba-athist regime in 23 days

Monte Cargo wrote:

I've never waivered from my belief that the strategic course of the Iraq War has been very successful, including defeating Saddam's Ba-athist regime in 23 days

I've never waivered from my belief that 3yrs later, Baathists are now needed to help in Iraq.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/16/iraq.conference/index.html

Only Iraqis can save themselves....sooner US realizes, the sooner we stop our losses....

"The report proves that this is the era of Islam and of jihad," said Abu Ayman, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin.

The Islamic Jihad terror group is responsible for every suicide bombing in Israel during the past two years.

"[With the Iraq Study Group report], the Americans came to the conclusion that Islam is the new giant of the world and it would be clever to reduce hostilities with this giant. In the Quran the principle of the rotation is clear and according to this principle the end of the Americans and of all non-believers is getting closer," Abu Ayman said.

Monte Cargo "including defeating Saddam's Ba-athist regime in 23 days". Golly gee whillikers Rummy couldn't have spun it better. What that misses though is reality. Rummy and Bushie took on Saddam. Saddam saw the futility of meeting American military head on. His tactics were prepared ahead. Pull back into the shadows and fight a hit and run guerrilla war. Now 3 years later most everyone but the most in denial admit the war is lost and Bushie and Rummy are complete failures. Saddam's personal goose is cooked but his strategy aginst the world's only Superpower has prevailed. That's disgusting. A moron like Saddam beating America's best military head on. Bushie could have patiently worked with Blix and the international community eventually putting Saddam on trial and achieving regime change and a saner political outcome for Iraqis and been one very huge hero. That was not ever what he had in mind though.

Calling Iran and North Korea acute cases confronting the world, Blix nonetheless says he does not believe it can be concluded that Iran intends to build a nuclear bomb.

Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, deputy operations director for Combined Joint Task Force 7, said the letter is evidence that Zarqawi's biggest fear is that the coalition's strategy in Iraq is working. Kimmitt and Dan Senor, the coalition's senior spokesman, first commented on the letter at a Feb. 9 Baghdad briefing.

"He is terrified of the coalition's will," Kimmitt said today. "He's terrified of the coalition's military capabilities. He is terrified of the fact that we are building (an) Iraqi security structure that prevents him from establishing a base inside this country. And he is terrified of a country that, rather than bowing to terrorism, is moving toward democracy."

The general said the letter confirms the coalition's current strategy is the correct one. "And as we continue to work - the coalition and the people of Iraq together - to hunting down Zarqawi and those of his ilk, that is the best strategy we have to ensure that we limit his capability to operate inside Iraq."

Senor said today the letter makes it clear Zarqawi is frustrated by the increasing difficulty he's having in trying to hide in Iraq. The country's geography, combined with an ever-dwindling number of Iraqis willing to help or harbor terrorists, are working against Zarqawi, Senor said.

Democracy? Israel? Well yeah sure. If you ignore the assassination of Rabin and the 2 state solution he was on the verge of finalizing. "Murder in the Name of God: Where Religious Extremism Can Lead" link and much more

Monte Cargo, what I see are arms merchants and war manufacturers like Bush/Walker, Rummy, Cheney, James Baker who armed and funded Saddam and bin Laden making a bundle off blowback they knew would come. Cheney was doing business with Saddam right into 2000 when he joined the Bushie ticket. America is ruled by those who have betrayed us over generations. That's the axis of evil I see and it's well documented evil at that. I also see their only out is to greatly escalate their war until there is too much bloodshed and fear for people to think about anything else but war.