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What If Johnson Dies AFTER The Committees Are Selected?

 
 
Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 11:03 pm
The most important votes a Senator or Congressman makes are the procedural votes-the ones that set up the committees. These votes are the first order of business of the new Congress.

In both houses, the majority party puts itself in a majority in every single committee, and every single committee has a chairman of the majority party. The vote is ALWAYS along straight party lines. When Jim Jeffords switched allegiance, he left the Republican party. Not to join the Democrats, but to an independent party in which he pledged to vote with the Democrats on the committee votes. But he felt he had to leave the Republicans if he could not vote with them on committee assignments. That's how important these votes are.

This is why parties put up with mavericks who vote with "the other guys" as often as their own party-as long as they vote with their party on the committee assignments, they're okay with their own party.

Remember, legislation has to get through committee before it goes for a vote on the floor of the House or Senate, so the majority party-even with a majority of a single vote-is in a position to get rid of any legislation it doesn't like even before it goes in front of the full House or Senate.

In the Senate, if you have a 50-50 tie, the Vice President casts the deciding vote, effectively giving the Vice President's party the majority. These days, that would be Cheney and the Republicans.

Now, my question is: what if Johnson does not show up for the procedural votes, but dies several weeks later? The Democrats, by virtue of a 50-49 edge, will have all the committee majorities and chairmanships already voted in. Suppose the GOP governor appoints a Republican to replace Johnson AFTER the committees are selected. this will make the Senate 50-50, with cheney casting the deciding vote.

Will the committees stay the same until 2008? Or will the committees change as soon as Johnson's GOP replacement gets seated?

Does anybody know?
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Reply Fri 15 Dec, 2006 11:08 pm
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 08:36 am
I guess if the SD governor appoints a republican to replace Sen. Tim Johnson then at some point, control of the senate reverts back to the republicans. Stinks, but there it is and perfectly legal. If it was a Oregon senator then they would have had to have another election and let the people decide who to replace Johnson.

Oregon's way is better

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The U.S. Constitution requires a special election when a vacancy occurs in the House of Representatives. No such provision applies to the U.S. Senate, because its members were elected by state legislatures until Oregon pioneered a national movement that ended in 1913 with the ratification of the 17th Amendment, which requires that senators be elected by the people.

The 17th Amendment leaves the method of filling vacancies to the states - which could put the control of the entire Senate in the hands of one man: the governor of South Dakota.

Control of the Senate could be in doubt because of the sudden illness of Sen. Tim Johnson, D-S.D. Johnson is in critical condition following surgery to repair bleeding in his brain. An illness does not create a Senate vacancy; only death, resignation or expulsion can do that. But Johnson's condition is serious enough to shine a spotlight on Gov. Mike Rounds, who would appoint a replacement.

Rounds is a Republican, and nothing in South Dakota law would prevent him from appointing a member of his own party, or even himself, to replace Johnson. Such an appointment would shift the partisan balance in the Senate to 50-50.

If the shift occurred before the Democrats officially take control on Jan. 4, Republicans and Democrats would negotiate a power-sharing agreement. If the shift were to occur after Jan. 4, the Senate would have passed a resolution establishing Democratic control. Either way, Vice President Dick Cheney's right to cast tie-breaking votes in the Senate would become a factor in every vote that broke along partisan lines.

Rounds, a single official, should not have the power to remake the nation's political landscape.

Oregon has a better system: State law requires a special election to fill Senate vacancies. A Senate vacancy in Oregon could still precipitate a change in the partisan balance in Washington, D.C. - but the change would not be the result of a decision by a governor who has a partisan interest.

Oregon's law requiring special elections to fill Senate vacancies was approved by voters in 1986, when Democrats and Republicans alike became spooked by rumors that Republican Sen. Mark Hatfield would retire. Democrats didn't want Republican Gov. Vic Atiyeh to appoint a successor who would run as an incumbent. Republicans worried that Atiyeh would be followed in office by a Democrat - as indeed he was - who might appoint a weak Republican successor to Hatfield, and the replacement would be sure to lose in the next election.

The rumors were wrong, and Hatfield served another 10 years. The 1986 measure did not come into play until 1995, when Sen. Bob Packwood resigned. The special election that followed resulted in Ron Wyden, a Democrat, replacing Packwood, a Republican - but it was the voters' decision, not the governor's.

Before 1986, U.S. Senate vacancies were filled by gubernatorial appointment. Such appointments were covered by a constitutional provision that still affects most vacancies involving partisan offices: An appointee must be a member of the same political party as the person he or she would replace. That method is also better than South Dakota's.

While the nation hopes for Johnson's recovery, the senator's illness shows that South Dakota and other states would do well to adopt Oregon's rules for filling vacancies. The consequences can reach far beyond a single state's borders.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 09:35 am
Lots of information in the article, except for this:
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If the shift occurred before the Democrats officially take control on Jan. 4, Republicans and Democrats would negotiate a power-sharing agreement. If the shift were to occur after Jan. 4, the Senate would have passed a resolution establishing Democratic control. Either way, Vice President Dick Cheney's right to cast tie-breaking votes in the Senate would become a factor in every vote that broke along partisan lines.


Which means what? According to this, the Senate would have passed the resoulution giving Democrats control of the committees, but Cheney's vote will be a tie breaker on partisan votes.

Yes, we all know that Cheney would have the tie-breaking vote from then on. But does that mean that all the committees are rearranged with Republican majorities and Republican chairmen immediately upon the new GOP Senator's arrival from south Dakota, or is there something about that first resolution that makes it impossible to do that?

We know that with the new GOP Senator, the Republicans will have control once a matter reaches the floor of the Senate. But unless the original resolution is overturned, the committees will remain in Democratic hands. Can that original resolution giving control of the committees to the Democrats be overturned upon the arrival of the new Republican Senator?

The article leaves us hanging on that one. And that question is the whole point of this thread.
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 16 Dec, 2006 04:24 pm
Sorry, I am not up on most of the rules of congress and so missed your point, I guess.

I remember a similar thing happened when Jim Jeffords quit the GOP became an independent. I think all the committees changed with it. (if I fail again to address your question, sorry, I just let better informed people answer it)

Vt. Senator Jeffords To Leave GOP
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bisca
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 09:57 pm
Senatorial Votes? And how would the Democrat, Lieberman, vote on maintaining support for US troops in Iraq?
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