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Don't tell me there's no proof for evolution

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2007 12:33 pm
Of all the ways real is able to convolute what is fact and what he believes is just amazing to observe. It seems to this observer that he's struggling for his life even when the stream is against all he believes. Amazing!!
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I Stereo
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2007 01:14 pm
real life wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
real life wrote:
A 'dating method' which cannot distinguish between a million year old sample and a sample a decade old is not much of a tool.


Unless the method was never intended to test for such a young range.

If you have a thermometer which goes from zero to a hundred in farenheit, and you dip it in liquid nitrogen it isn't going to give you accurate results. That doesn't mean that the thermometer is wrong, it just wasn't designed to respond to the conditions it was exposed to. It's the same with the dating method above.






So if the thermometer gave a reading of 72 degrees Fahrenheit for the liquid nitrogen, would that mean that I was deceptive for not telling the researcher that we were dealing with liquid nitrogen?

Or would you say the thermometer was most likely defective?

The method in question gives indistinguishable results for samples millions of years old and for samples a decade old.

Is that the fault of the researcher, or a fatal flaw in the method? (Not a tough question.)


I'm no scientist, but I remember Highschool chemestry enough to know that nitrogen would not be a LIQUID at 72F. That doesn't take a themometer, just a elementary education.
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2007 01:24 pm
real life wrote:
So if the thermometer gave a reading of 72 degrees Fahrenheit for the liquid nitrogen, would that mean that I was deceptive for not telling the researcher that we were dealing with liquid nitrogen?

Or would you say the thermometer was most likely defective?


If you used a thermometer to measure liquid nitrogen it would shatter.

real life wrote:
The method in question gives indistinguishable results for samples millions of years old and for samples a decade old.

Is that the fault of the researcher, or a fatal flaw in the method? (Not a tough question.)


Dr. Austin deliberately used a method of measurement that he knew would give a false result. He did this by withholding information that would give a correct result. It's like a witness withholding vital information of a murder.

Dr. Austin committed fraud. The fraud was on the ignorant fundies who would believe anything that supported their faith. So it would be easy to con them. They want to be conned just as RL wants to be conned into believing the inerrancy of the Bible.

It is the fault of the researcher because he knew what he had to do to get a correct result. But the researcher, Dr. Austin, didn't want the correct result. He needed to lie because lies are the only thing that will make the Bible inerrant.

It's sad but the literal interpretation of the Bible can't be supported by truth.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2007 01:39 pm
I am not wholly convinced real life believes all that he's peddling for the simple reason that when his specious claims are rationally countered he does not stand firm with the conviction of his beliefs. A true believer would fall back on the conviction of his beliefs for justification. The same holds true with spendi to some fair degree.
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2007 01:41 pm
I Stereo wrote:
real life wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
real life wrote:
A 'dating method' which cannot distinguish between a million year old sample and a sample a decade old is not much of a tool.


Unless the method was never intended to test for such a young range.

If you have a thermometer which goes from zero to a hundred in farenheit, and you dip it in liquid nitrogen it isn't going to give you accurate results. That doesn't mean that the thermometer is wrong, it just wasn't designed to respond to the conditions it was exposed to. It's the same with the dating method above.






So if the thermometer gave a reading of 72 degrees Fahrenheit for the liquid nitrogen, would that mean that I was deceptive for not telling the researcher that we were dealing with liquid nitrogen?

Or would you say the thermometer was most likely defective?

The method in question gives indistinguishable results for samples millions of years old and for samples a decade old.

Is that the fault of the researcher, or a fatal flaw in the method? (Not a tough question.)


I'm no scientist, but I remember Highschool chemestry enough to know that nitrogen would not be a LIQUID at 72F. That doesn't take a themometer, just a elementary education.


That's kinda the point.

Liquid nitrogen would not be 72 degrees Fahrenheit. It's obvious that the thermometer is faulty.

Get it?
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2007 01:48 pm
Chumly wrote:
I am not wholly convinced real life believes all that he's peddling for the simple reason that when his specious claims are rationally countered he does not stand firm with the conviction of his beliefs.


I agree. I think he just enjoys creating specious logical quips.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2007 02:28 pm
Quote: I agree. I think he just enjoys creating specious logical quips.

And he's an expert. Only my personal opinion, ofcoarse.
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I Stereo
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2007 06:09 pm
real life wrote:
I Stereo wrote:
real life wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
real life wrote:
A 'dating method' which cannot distinguish between a million year old sample and a sample a decade old is not much of a tool.


Unless the method was never intended to test for such a young range.

If you have a thermometer which goes from zero to a hundred in farenheit, and you dip it in liquid nitrogen it isn't going to give you accurate results. That doesn't mean that the thermometer is wrong, it just wasn't designed to respond to the conditions it was exposed to. It's the same with the dating method above.






So if the thermometer gave a reading of 72 degrees Fahrenheit for the liquid nitrogen, would that mean that I was deceptive for not telling the researcher that we were dealing with liquid nitrogen?

Or would you say the thermometer was most likely defective?

The method in question gives indistinguishable results for samples millions of years old and for samples a decade old.

Is that the fault of the researcher, or a fatal flaw in the method? (Not a tough question.)


I'm no scientist, but I remember Highschool chemestry enough to know that nitrogen would not be a LIQUID at 72F. That doesn't take a themometer, just a elementary education.


That's kinda the point.

Liquid nitrogen would not be 72 degrees Fahrenheit. It's obvious that the thermometer is faulty.

Get it?


It prove that the universe is broke, not the thermometer. Further, if you put the wrong substance in a thermometer like helium or something, then you could make the thermometer display a wrong result. You can't say method is flawed if your test is broken.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2007 06:15 pm
Stereo - Don't bother. RL is just a donkey with his carrot in the mud. Hold out a handful of carrots, and he'll stll want his carrot, even if it's covered in slop.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2007 07:08 pm
Diest TKO,
We seem to both post on the same threads; I have go work on my wife's motorcycle, carry on.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2007 09:19 pm
May 24, 2007
Museum Review | Creation Museum
Adam and Eve in the Land of the Dinosaurs
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2007 10:42 pm
Chumly wrote:
Diest TKO,
We seem to both post on the same threads; I have go work on my wife's motorcycle, carry on.


Do it with Zen. Lol.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2007 11:48 pm
Yeah, creationism gets too wierd.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2007 11:54 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Yeah, creationism gets too wierd.
You got that 100% right buddy!
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2007 11:57 pm
Can anyone say...

ROADTRIP TO KENTUCKY!!!!!
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Chumly
 
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Reply Wed 23 May, 2007 11:59 pm
I'm in!
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 24 May, 2007 06:46 am
Me too.

My family is from Kentucky so I'm sure I'll feel right at home in the Creation Museum. Smile
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 24 May, 2007 09:43 am
send me a postcard
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I Stereo
 
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Reply Thu 24 May, 2007 11:19 am
I'm on a roadtrip across the USA this summer. I may just have to make a detour. To bad that like most americans, I'll have to look at a map, I'm horrible at geography...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 24 May, 2007 11:23 am
Too bad the Derby is past - for this year.
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