Do U Believe In Miracles ?

If one considers an event impossible, then by definition, they do not believe it is possible.

If one believes it is unlikely (even to the extreme), then by definition, they believe it is possible.

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I wonder if Ripley's 'Believe It Or Not' is a catalogue of God's work?

He really should do something useful with his time.

Say, sorting out Israel/Palestine.

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Miracle is multi-faceted word.

It has a literary angle - referring to unlikely coincidences and events. And it has it religious angle, whereby certain elements of our society attribute a very unlikely event as the work of God, deus ex machina.

It also has a musical angle aka Smokey Robinson, and a gastronomical angle re margarine.

Which one are we talking about?

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No. Absolutely not in any way, shape or form.

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Yeah what stuh said.

There are very ordinary things that some consider miraculous (such as birth, or conception)

There are others who would not accept a "real" miracle even if they witnessed it themselves. I would be one of those. I would assume that I had been tricked or something wrong in my brain (drugs, embolism, etc.)

It would appear there never have been any miracles, so I'd be pretty safe in my assumptions. An embolism is FAR more likely.

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I have to say that I definitely believe in miracles,
there is just simply too much wonderful stuff out there:

supposedly, the bumblebee is constructed in such a way
that it should not be able to fly,

atoms contain very small charged particles, but mostly
space, yet darned if many of the materials around feel
pretty solid to me,

there are so many terminally ill patients that regain their
full health, for no apparent reason,

the 1980 US hockey team beat the Soviets in the Olympics.

Now you can probably tell that I'm not a scientific wizard,
because I sure can't explain the above, and there is a
reason why no one can explain everything, that's because
there is something greater out there, something or someone
beyond our dimension who knows what's going on.

It's this what makes life as wonderful as it is!
To admire, appreciate and enjoy life's miracles!

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Like I said...some folks think that if they don't understand it....it's a miralce !!

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stuh505 wrote:

If one considers an event impossible,
then by definition, they do not believe it is possible.

Yes, but what if thay see it happen
in front of them ANYWAY ?

This concept is amusingly presented
in the movies " Terminator " I and II,
wherein a smug, arrogant psychologist laffs off
the possibility of anyone arriving from
the future, in " Terminator " I,
but in " Terminator " II, he sees the image of a police officer,
right in front of him,
turning to something resembling mercury while he passes thru
some jail-like bars, and being repeatedly shot with a shotgun,
with no permanent effect.

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If one believes it is unlikely (even to the extreme),
then by definition, they believe it is possible.

Yes; we know this.

Take, for instance,
a $14,000,000 lottery winner whom I saw on TV,
telling of how he had a dream of uncommon realism,
that he won the lottery for millions of $$,
and who kept repeatedly telling his friends
that he was about to win the lottery,
and then he did the next day;
not impossible, but can we agree, somewhat unlikely ?

Perhaps we may consider the account told by a lady on TV
of how she treasured her special engagement ring,
but lost it, while on her Honeymoon at a lake resort,
but on her return thereto,
in celebration of her 30th wedding anniversary,
there was a commotion of someone finding a singularly beautiful ring
at the edge of the water, and it turned out to be her lost ring
from 30 years b4; not IMPOSSIBLE, but a little unlikely ?

David

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You're thinking way too much about the terminator.

I vote no. Extremely unlikely is still possible, which I wouldn't consider a miracle were I to connoiter it. Just something I really, really wasn't expecting. Hell, I don't expect much of what I see, if I consider all the minute particulars.

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hingehead wrote:

Miracle is multi-faceted word.

It has a literary angle - referring to unlikely coincidences and events. And it has it religious angle, whereby certain elements of our society attribute a very unlikely event as the work of God, deus ex machina.

It also has a musical angle aka Smokey Robinson, and a gastronomical angle re margarine.

Which one are we talking about?

We r talking about
the occurance of an event which is either
IMPOSSIBLE ( like turning water into wine )
or against extreme, or superextreme, odds.
David

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Eorl wrote:

Yeah what stuh said.

There are very ordinary things
that some consider miraculous (such as birth, or conception)

Yes;
I consider that to be an ABUSE of the language,
and a contradiction in terms.
Indeed, some people have claimed that a beautiful day is a miracle.
That is a contradiction in terms, and makes no sense.

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There are others who would not accept a "real" miracle even if they witnessed it themselves. I would be one of those.
I would assume that I had been tricked or something wrong in my brain (drugs, embolism, etc.)

It would appear there never have been any miracles, so I'd be pretty safe in my assumptions. An embolism is FAR more likely.

Point of information:
Do embolisms produce accurate premonitions
of winning the lottery the next day, etc. ?

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They'd probably produce a great deal more INaccurate premonitions of winning the lottery, but nobody's going to talk about those, are they? They're probably not even likely to remember it for very long.

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patiodog wrote:

You're thinking way too much about the terminator.

It was FUN.
The concept was well presented.
It had good special effects.

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I vote no. Extremely unlikely is still possible, which I wouldn't consider a miracle were I to connoiter it.
Just something I really, really wasn't expecting.
Hell, I don't expect much of what I see, if I consider all the minute particulars.

An accurate dream
of winning the lottery the next day for millions $$$$$?
David

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patiodog wrote:

They'd probably produce a great deal more INaccurate premonitions of winning the lottery, but nobody's going to talk about those, are they? They're probably not even likely to remember it for very long.

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So many things are unlikely in the extreme and they still happen.

We have moved into a new house and within the first two days eight bulbs have blown. Statistically this is very unlikely, but it did happen.

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David:

I believe in God, angels and miracles.

Was water turned into wine? Was the Reed sea really parted?
Of course! Why not believe? Won't that make life more enjoyable?

:wink:

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

stuh505 wrote:
If one considers an event impossible,
then by definition, they do not believe it is possible.
Yes, but what if thay see it happen
in front of them ANYWAY ?

If I witnessed something that I previously thought to be impossible, I wouldn't call it a miracle; I would acknowledge that I was wrong in what I thought was and wasn't possible.

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Album: One-Armed Bandit
Track: 06

Some of us dont even know
Most of us dont even try
Do you believe its there
Do you believe its coming back
I do
My dreams are drifting to the shore
Sometimes they just slip away
But I believe its there
I believe its coming back again
So what, I believe in miracles
Oh yeah there is nothing that brings me down
So what, I believe in miracles
Oh yeah there is nothing that brings me down
down
down
Some of us dont even know
Most of us dont even try
Do you believe its there
Do you believe its coming back again
Do you believe its there
Do you believe its coming back again
So what, I believe in miracles
Oh yeah there is nothing that brings me down
So what, I believe in miracles
Oh yeah there is nothing that brings me down
So what, I believe in miracles
Oh yeah there is nothing that brings me down
So what, I believe in miracles
Oh yeah there is nothing that brings me down
down
down
down
And Im down on the floor
And theres no one to help
I just say to myself
When you die
you die
alone

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I thought u cud die with other people.

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