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Do U Believe In Miracles ?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 22 Nov, 2006 03:10 am
Bohne wrote:
So many things are unlikely in the extreme and they still happen.

We have moved into a new house and within the first two days eight bulbs have blown.
Statistically this is very unlikely, but it did happen.

About 30 years ago,
I had committed myself to read a book
that I did not enjoy. I had a slight cold,
and felt somewhat annoyed.

I was in bed, reading that book,
eclipsing an overhead light in my ceiling,
that kept hitting me in the eye,
when I moved the book the rong way.

I thought " damn that light ! " and it popped and burned out.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 22 Nov, 2006 03:11 am
patiodog wrote:
patiodog wrote:
They'd probably produce a great deal more INaccurate premonitions of winning the lottery, but nobody's going to talk about those, are they? They're probably not even likely to remember it for very long.

True.
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rockpie
 
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Reply Wed 22 Nov, 2006 03:51 am
i have experienced a miracle. when i was 15 i was diagnosed with cancer, God healed me.

however just because people saw that happen did not make them believe. my parents and sister still hate my beliefs.
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Bohne
 
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Reply Wed 22 Nov, 2006 04:57 am
[quote="rockpie"]however just because people saw that happen did not make them believe. my parents and sister still hate my beliefs.[/quote]

Do your parents just not share your beliefs or do they HATE them?
The first, I think, must be accepted, the second I would not be able to understand!
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 22 Nov, 2006 05:31 am
Bohne wrote:
[quote="rockpie"]however just because people saw that happen did not make them believe. my parents and sister still hate my beliefs.


Do your parents just not share your beliefs or do they HATE them?
The first, I think, must be accepted,
the second I would not be able to understand![/color][/quote]
Atheists can be that way.
David
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Bohne
 
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Reply Wed 22 Nov, 2006 05:44 am
[quote="OmSigDAVIDAtheists can be that way.
David
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I know there are ignorants about.
Not just atheists.
Lots of religious people (no matter what religion) do not accept other beliefs either.

I still cannot understand it!
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 22 Nov, 2006 06:33 am
Re: Do U Believe In Miracles ?
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Do U Believe In Miracles ?

For the purposes of this thread,
a miracle is defined as the occurance
of an event that is IMPOSSIBLE,
or unlikely in the EXTREME.

Comments, or examples, r welcome.

David

Keep in mind that Impossible and Unlikely in the extreme are not the same thing. Unlikely...even in the most extreme case...is still a possibility whereas Impossible, just by the nature of its own meaning, makes it a non-possibility.

As to the matter of miracles I believe that they exist and for the record I believe that nothing is truly impossible if one puts enough effort, energy and faith into it.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 22 Nov, 2006 06:44 am
I do not believe in miracles. I believe that there are things that are unknown, but not unknowable. If you think about it, think of what we are doing on A2K. A hundred years ago, people would have thought that it would be a miracle if you could type into a keyboard, and interact with people all over the world through that keyboard. Today, doing just that is commonplace.

I think that there are many things that people believe are "miracles" that will be explained in the future, when humankind has acquired greater knowledge.

As for it being lovely to believe in miracles, sure it is, to a child. They have little understanding of how the world works, and to children, what adults take for granted, are miraculous.

As far as medical remissions go, the medical community is just scratching the surface as far as really understanding the workings of the human body. Remissions happen on a regular basis. IMO it is not miraculous, simply a natural occurrence that happens from time to time. Someday we may begin to understand these happenings.
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stuh505
 
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Reply Wed 22 Nov, 2006 01:00 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
stuh505 wrote:
If one considers an event impossible,
then by definition, they do not believe it is possible.

Yes, but what if thay see it happen
in front of them ANYWAY ?


Then their previous definition of what was impossible was wrong, so they revise their definition of impossible. It may be that they were so shocked about this discovery that they do not consider anything impossible anymore, or they may just become a little more open minded. Either way, the definition is unchaged.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Wed 22 Nov, 2006 04:51 pm
rockpie wrote:
i have experienced a miracle. when i was 15 i was diagnosed with cancer, God healed me.

however just because people saw that happen did not make them believe. my parents and sister still hate my beliefs.


No, you were lucky enough that your immune system was able to overcome the disease. Your assertion that it was done by God is simply evidence that despite an obviously difficult time when you were young, the experience didn't mature you at all.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 22 Nov, 2006 05:04 pm
rockpie wrote:
i have experienced a miracle. when i was 15 i was diagnosed with cancer, God healed me.


So why did god choose you over, say, people in the twin towers.

I would think claiming god intervened on your behalf is conceit, if I were a religious person, and I'm not.

But hey, you can only believe what you believe. People find god and lose god all the time. She really needs to work on a communication strategy.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 22 Nov, 2006 05:37 pm
Laughing

Bible 3.0 perhaps...?

After all the conflicts we had with service pack 2 (the New Testament), I'm not in any hurry to upgrade.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 22 Nov, 2006 05:43 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
stuh505 wrote:
If one considers an event impossible,
then by definition, they do not believe it is possible.

Yes, but what if thay see it happen
in front of them ANYWAY ?

This concept is amusingly presented
in the movies " Terminator "
David


You do understand that Terminator is fiction right? You do understand that travelling back in time is impossible, and the fact that it happened in the Terminator doesn't change that?

(Asimov points out that most sci-fi is based on "what-if" scenarios that alter aspects of reality, and see what the results would be.)
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 22 Nov, 2006 06:11 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I thought u cud die with other people.


If that's your choice, who am I to object?
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 22 Nov, 2006 06:15 pm
Wilso wrote:


Your assertion that it was done by God is simply evidence that despite an obviously difficult time when you were young, the experience didn't mature you at all.


Hard hearts never know true love. God did cure the boy of cancer. Didn't God create the immune system?

Of course!
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 22 Nov, 2006 06:27 pm
Eorl wrote:
Laughing

Bible 3.0 perhaps...?

After all the conflicts we had with service pack 2 (the New Testament), I'm not in any hurry to upgrade.
Laughing
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 23 Nov, 2006 12:59 am
Miller wrote:
Wilso wrote:


Your assertion that it was done by God is simply evidence that despite an obviously difficult time when you were young, the experience didn't mature you at all.


Hard hearts never know true love.
God did cure the boy of cancer.

Didn't God create the immune system?

Of course!

Shud that be the IMMUNITY system ??
David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 23 Nov, 2006 01:01 am
Miller wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I thought u cud die with other people.


If that's your choice, who am I to object?

Ms. Miller ?
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 23 Nov, 2006 01:01 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Shud that be the IMMUNITY system ??
David


No.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 23 Nov, 2006 01:06 am
Eorl wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
stuh505 wrote:
If one considers an event impossible,
then by definition, they do not believe it is possible.

Yes, but what if thay see it happen
in front of them ANYWAY ?

This concept is amusingly presented
in the movies " Terminator "
David


You do understand that Terminator is fiction right?

Yes.


Quote:

You do understand that travelling back in time is impossible,

No.
I guess my education is not as good as yours.



Quote:

and the fact that it happened in the Terminator doesn't change that?

Yes.
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