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War Crimes pursued against Rumsfeld

 
 
Reply Tue 14 Nov, 2006 08:51 am
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BERLIN, Germany (AP) -- Civil rights activists filed a suit Tuesday asking German prosecutors to open a war crimes investigation of former U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and a host of other officials for their alleged roles in abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and Guantanamo Bay.

The 220-page suit document was sent to federal prosecutors by U.S. and German attorneys under a German law that allows the prosecution of war crimes regardless of where they were committed. It alleges that Rumsfeld personally ordered and condoned torture


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candidone1
 
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Reply Tue 14 Nov, 2006 08:53 am
Anyone think this may hold?

Or will more charges simply follow the Bush cabal into the massive hole they have left in what was once America.
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detano inipo
 
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Reply Tue 14 Nov, 2006 11:59 am
It is absurd that an American should be accused of war crimes. Impossible!
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 14 Nov, 2006 05:38 pm
This case was dismissed once before and very well may be dismissed again. It's a pretty helpless world that stands powerless to incarcerate mass murders like Blair, Bushie, Rummy and the rest. Wolfie.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Tue 14 Nov, 2006 06:14 pm
I still see some irony in the fact that the US has set up this tribunal to try Saddam, yet do not themselves recongnize any international institutions, mechanisms, courts or conventions that my one day hold them accountable for their actions.

I posted elsewhere that the US scoffed at the charges brought against them by Nicaragua in 1986....and Nicaragua took every legal route to bring justice for their tiny country.
As the article states near the bottom, it is unlikely any of these charges will amount to a conviction (or "justice", if you will) because the US simply doesn't recognize any group or system that would try them.

It is odd that the US will create a "legitimate" tribunal (meaning: recognized by the US), but will not acknowledge the legitimace of any other ad hoc tribunal that may find them guilty of atrocities in war.

Now, if guys like McG had their way and "political correctness" and media hype didn't impede progress in the war, Iraq would have been carpet bombed....and that would have been OK with them.
A few thousand Americans die in an attack at home, but they'd condone carpet bombing tens of thousands of civilians somewhere else.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 14 Nov, 2006 07:11 pm
Irony also that Poppy Bush, James Baker and most of both administrations were together in the Reagan years arming and funding Saddam and his mass graves and WMD. Now Baker is back to rescue us like Satan could cast out Satan or something. Follow the money.
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Reply Wed 15 Nov, 2006 12:22 am
Whatever became of the war crime charges brought against Bill Clinton by Milosovich? Oh wait, Milosovich died in prison....hey, doesn't that sound familiar?
These war crime charges against Rumsfeld will go the way the charges against Clinton did.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 15 Nov, 2006 04:38 pm
LoneStarMadam wrote:
Whatever became of the war crime charges brought against Bill Clinton by Milosovich? Oh wait, Milosovich died in prison....hey, doesn't that sound familiar?
These war crime charges against Rumsfeld will go the way the charges against Clinton did.


Yes, and that speaks to the larger issue of immunity, or impunity, or the American government.
Failure to recognize the charges or the validity of the court or tribunal somehow results in zero accountability.
The current administration collectively laughed at Saddam because he played exactly the same card in his tribunal as the US did when charged by Nicaragua--yet, because the US recognizes the tribunal as legitimate, it somehow is.
Hopefully this administration will pay its dues.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 15 Nov, 2006 04:45 pm
Civil rights activists filed a suit Tuesday asking German prosecutors to open a war crimes investigation ...

This doesn't mean a lot. Only that some prosecutor has to work a bit more.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 15 Nov, 2006 09:54 pm
Hence the question.
Can anything like this ever stick to an American administration clearly guilty of crimes they would condemn others for.
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detano inipo
 
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Reply Thu 16 Nov, 2006 02:36 pm
candidone, the fact that they misbehave and cannot be punished makes for a world-wide malaise. Some call it anti-Americanism.
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