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Dangers of Allowing Grocery Stores to Sell Wine

 
 
patiodog
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 07:12 am
I've a notion that the only argument you can make for Sunday blue laws pertains to religion -- and specifically to religion that observes a Sunday sabbath.

But not every religion observes a Sunday sabbath.

So I've been thinking that an enterprising Jewish family could move somewhere with Sunday blue laws and be open on Sundays but closed sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. When cited, challenge existing laws on the basis that they respect a particular establishment of religion.

Could make a killing on Sunday.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 07:18 am
Near beer and certain alcoholic percentages fall under that rule as well.

You could buy an 8% or less wine on sundays in Lubbock county, but not a six pack...
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flushd
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 07:55 am
I see no problem with it at all. In my hometown, I've seen the change from 'can't get booze anywhere on Sunday' to 'can get booze at grocery at reasonable hours every day, plus bar open all week long'.

The alcoholics don't have to drive across to other towns, friends houses to get more booze.

As a sidenote to Sturgis' post, as weird as it may sound, I'd much rather the true alcoholics could access real alcohol that is regulated than having to go down to the Lysol, gas products, and cough syrups.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 08:37 am
^^ I could not agree more.

I remember when I was homeless, I would see the alcoholics take a gallon jug of water, pour it all out but 1/2 of the water, cut a whole in the side and spray hair spray into it, then drink it.

It was called hobo juice..
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 01:39 pm
martybarker wrote:
This was an interesting read. In my state you can buy beer and wine in grocery stores. No hard liquor. It just seems so natural to pick out what to make for dinner and find a nice bottle of wine to go with it.


It's odd because some grocery stores do sell beer and wine, but not many. I believe they limit the number of licenses a certain company can have. For example Stop and Shop can only have 3 beer/wine license in Mass so only 3 of their grocery stores can sell beer/wine. So the one in my town sells beer and wine, but the one in the next town over does not.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 01:41 pm
shewolfnm wrote:
The definition for 'spirits' makes sense... I still think it is an odd choice of words.
Eh..



I used to live in Crosbyton Tx. About 45 minutes east of lubbock.
Lubbock county is a ( this might have changed in the last 10 years) dry county.
Dry county meaning no package liquor of any sort is sold in the city. I seem to recall that it included banning of wine as well.

On the outskirts, sometimes literally inches from the county line, there were TONS of liquor stores.
The strip , as it was called, looked like a mini vegas.
Big bright lights, jugglers sometimes, large driveways.. and it was all for selling alcohol.

These places would be so backed up with cars that sometimes it would spill over onto the highway from the offramp, all the way down the access road and stop traffic for close to an entire mile.

At that time, I do believe the city of Lubbock had an average amount of drunk driver accidents ( nothing like the high rate places like New Mexico have ) , and one of the highest alcohol tax in the state. If not the country.

Being a dry county only meant they could not sell package liquor, but you could buy a drink almost any where.

Vodka, or... spirits... hehe.. were on the menu at most restaurants.

I even remember a small coffee shop , wich i doubt is still open, who was offering alcohol in coffee... first thing in the morning..

My then husband, a real budding alcoholic at 21, would drive that 45 minutes from Crosbyton with his friend, after they had drank most of his friends fathers vodka, to go buy more beer, wine, what ever.

Part of the reason we did not stay together for very long I tell you what..
(shudder)

any way-

On this route to get alcohol , I was always expecting a check point. I came from New Mexico where they would set up check points ANYWHERE in Albuquerque at ANY TIME. I loved it.
And I thought this was normal everywhere.. but apparently it isn't.

If Lubbock and Crosby county ( the two counties the strip served...) had set up check points coming in and going out of the liquor stores, the city would have made a killing on DWI fines, and I guarantee it would have made a huge difference in drunk driving accidents.

I personally think that things like what I used to call the drunk stops, ( check points) are the only thing that will make a difference with drunk drivers.

but i am going to get off my rambling post for right now. Wink


We used to have those "check points" type things too at one time in Mass - haven't seen one in ages so don't know what happened to it.

We have "dry" towns here too and the same thing at the edge of town there is always a liquor store.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 01:44 pm
shewolfnm wrote:
Near beer and certain alcoholic percentages fall under that rule as well.

You could buy an 8% or less wine on sundays in Lubbock county, but not a six pack...


I once was carded for buying non-alcoholic beer. I guess you need to 21 to buy the stuff - I was old enough just wanted non-alcoholic beer.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 01:49 pm
In case anyone cares - it did not pass - it was pretty close though.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 01:53 pm
Linkat wrote:
In case anyone cares - it did not pass - it was pretty close though.


That's retarded, as was most of the election.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 02:01 pm
Linkat wrote:
shewolfnm wrote:
Near beer and certain alcoholic percentages fall under that rule as well.

You could buy an 8% or less wine on sundays in Lubbock county, but not a six pack...


I once was carded for buying non-alcoholic beer. I guess you need to 21 to buy the stuff - I was old enough just wanted non-alcoholic beer.


I dont know how true it is, but I have heard that some near beer actually DOES have alcohol. It might be less then 2% but it does have alcohol.
So i guess you would technically have to be 21 to buy it

but then again, you should have to be 21 to buy vanilla extract too..
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 02:09 pm
Any fruit juice has alcohol in it. Even Juicy Juice. No wonder the kids like it.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 03:29 pm
Non-alcoholic beers can not have more than 0.5% of alcohol so pretty anything else will have a higher alcohol percentage than non-alcoholic beers.
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englishnewb
 
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Reply Sat 11 Nov, 2006 02:27 am
kinda late to post this but w/e, im just gonna post my nonsense

i dont get how its dangerous to sell wine in grocery store. i mean, what the hell does wine have to do with being dangerous or not? Are the explosive? Or do you ppl think their alcohol concentrations are too high? Maybe kids will make fake ID to buy them? This is all our stupid american thought.

Pretty much everything is explosive, it depends on ur knowledge with chemistry, and i dont think wine has that such a high alcohol lvl.. With the kids buying wine... why would they buy wine if they can get beer O_o?

To be honest, if u think selling wine is dangerous in a grocery store... check out their cigarette section...
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jazzieB123
 
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Reply Mon 13 Nov, 2006 02:51 am
martybarker wrote:
In my state you can buy beer and wine in grocery stores. No hard liquor. .


Hmmm. In Australia, alcohol is not sold in any grocery store in any state. You have to buy it at what we call The Grog Shop. Or the liquor outlet, off licence, etc ... that is, a store which sells only booze. Whatsmore, they have restricted opening hours and unlike the stores in California (which seem to be open 24/7).

I was staggered when I moved to CA to find that wine, beer & spirits are sold in huge bottles in Safeway and other grocery stores. I thought people only bought frozen peas and TV dinners there. Amazing!
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 13 Nov, 2006 04:19 am
Re: Dangers of Allowing Grocery Stores to Sell Wine
Linkat wrote:
I plan on voting on this today, so please give me your thoughts. Since I really do not see how one would affect the other, I plan on voting for wine - easier for me since I love wine with dinner.

Good choice. Here in Germany, shops don't need any special license to sell alcoholic beverages. You can buy wine virtually everywhere around here: grocery stores, gas stations, kiosks, you name it. If you look at our rates of drunken driving, hooliganism, and other problems drunks tend to cause, you'll find them about the same as elsewhere. The rates are about the same in otherwise similar countries with more puritanical alcohol legislation. (I'm thinking of Scandinavia.) The Massachusetts restrictions you describe seem to be mere chicanery by holier-than-your health fanatics. I applaud you for not letting their fear mongering influence your vote. I also regret that a majority of Massachusetts citizens voted against liberalization.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Mon 13 Nov, 2006 02:06 pm
englishnewb wrote:
....(snip)...



HAHAH!
explosive...

Oh god, that was a great laugh.

Since we are the stupid ones here.. I just have to say, if you woul dhave paid attention to what was being said, you could have been on topic.
Since you did not, your post will be qualified by your own defination :
englishnewb wrote:
nonsense...
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 13 Nov, 2006 02:08 pm
Well, E=mc^2.
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Chai
 
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Reply Mon 13 Nov, 2006 02:22 pm
shewolfnm wrote:

but then again, you should have to be 21 to buy vanilla extract too..



Seriously?!


anyway, for what it's worth, I don't see anyone buying wine at the supermarkets around here that look like they're abusing it.

in fact, it seems like nowadays they're carrying mostly pretty good brands, too expensive to just get wasted.

I even bought a bottle of Piedmont as a gift at a fancy grocery store here.

go figure.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Mon 13 Nov, 2006 02:26 pm
As for looks,

My mother in law wears 3 piece suits she gets at Neiman Marcus.

Very thin, quite beautiful..


yet she buys one at a time..
so as to NOT look like an alcoholic..


(shudder) ug.. the memories..
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Mon 13 Nov, 2006 02:28 pm
what makes something 'fancy' ?


sexy grociers?

high prices?

or frilly pink stuff..

Laughing
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