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Death is the negation of all the dying individual stood for"

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 7 Nov, 2006 08:48 pm
My own reasoning was that if I donated
to the Red Cross or the Salvation Army, then maybe it cud n wud
sell some of its mdse for a fraction of a cent less,
whereas, if I give cash to an INDIVIDUAL,
in an amount to be significant to him or her,
it will cause a thrill of joy. ( I have seen that happen )


I don 't have much interest in nigeria,
and I am not interested in sending cash out of America.
David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 7 Nov, 2006 08:50 pm
Actually, I HAVE donated to the Salvation Army at Christmas time,
if there is a real cute chic ringing her bell,
but I do that only for the delight of the chic.
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 09:13 am
David
Your attitude represents a lot of what is wrong with the world today as I see it.

I am not saying that all aid given is good. Many times the help given in critical situations is just enough to keep people barely alive, only prolonging the misery of entire nations where all natural resources are consumed by a growing population.

This, as I see it, should be either or. Either intervene with enough support to do the job properly, or stand aside and let nature run it's course.

Our egotistical nature prohibits the first, and our compassion prohibits the second.
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flakker
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 07:27 pm
Quote:
let nature run it's course.


Hey thats Australias foreign policy


but seriously, tell that to a bunch of hippies and we'll be rooting for you from the sidelines.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 07:32 pm
Cyracuz wrote:
David
Your attitude represents a lot of what is wrong with the world today as I see it.

WHICH attitude ?
I have manifested a multiplicity thereof
n I don 't know which one to defend.


Quote:

I am not saying that all aid given is good. Many times the help given in critical situations is just enough to keep people barely alive, only prolonging the misery of entire nations where all natural resources are consumed by a growing population.

This, as I see it, should be either or. Either intervene with enough support to do the job properly, or stand aside and let nature run it's course.

Our egotistical nature prohibits the first, and our compassion prohibits the second.
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Fri 10 Nov, 2006 07:15 am
The attitude behind this statement.

david wrote:
I don 't have much interest in nigeria,
and I am not interested in sending cash out of America.
David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 10 Nov, 2006 11:48 pm
Cyracuz wrote:
The attitude behind this statement.

david wrote:
I don 't have much interest in nigeria,
and I am not interested in sending cash out of America.
David

OK; thanx for your specificity.

I have a constitutional quarrel with government doing that.

When the Constitution was submitted for ratification,
it wud SURELY have been rejected
if the Federalists had said: " approve it,
and we will take money from u by force
and send it overseas, to the poor. "


If money is stolen from American citizens by government
to give to aliens, that is by USURPATION of ultra vires activity,
in violation of the Supreme Law of the Land,
and in betrayal of those American citizens.


The difference between charity and ROBBERY
is freedom of volition in the donor.
David
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Wed 15 Nov, 2006 11:37 pm
Cryogenics is nothing if not COOL.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Wed 15 Nov, 2006 11:37 pm
Cryogenics is nothing if not COOL.
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echi
 
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Reply Thu 16 Nov, 2006 01:19 am
JLNobody wrote:
Cryogenics is nothing if not COOL.


"...JLNobody, ladies and gentlemen!"
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stuh505
 
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Reply Thu 16 Nov, 2006 06:31 am
Quote:
Our egotistical nature prohibits the first, and our compassion prohibits the second.


Maybe you should say "your egotistical nature" + "your compassion" because it doesn't seem to prevent David and many other people.
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Fri 17 Nov, 2006 12:14 pm
No, I am pretty sure it is 'our'. Most sensible people are constantly drawn between the counterpoints self and others. To neglect either can be the cause of much misery as I see it.
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echi
 
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Reply Fri 17 Nov, 2006 01:33 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Cyracuz wrote:
The attitude behind this statement.

david wrote:
I don 't have much interest in nigeria,
and I am not interested in sending cash out of America.
David

OK; thanx for your specificity.

I have a constitutional quarrel with government doing that.

When the Constitution was submitted for ratification,
it wud SURELY have been rejected
if the Federalists had said: " approve it,
and we will take money from u by force
and send it overseas, to the poor. "


If money is stolen from American citizens by government
to give to aliens, that is by USURPATION of ultra vires activity,
in violation of the Supreme Law of the Land,
and in betrayal of those American citizens.


The difference between charity and ROBBERY
is freedom of volition in the donor.
David


Don't hide behind the US Constitution. It is your own, personal interest that is in question.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 17 Nov, 2006 03:09 pm
Now this is sophisticated debate. I wish we had more of it.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 17 Nov, 2006 03:09 pm
Now this is sophisticated debate. I wish we had more of it.
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Sat 18 Nov, 2006 07:04 am
Quote:
I don 't have much interest in nigeria,
and I am not interested in sending cash out of America.
David


How much money does the US drop on other countries in a year in the form of bombs?

Yes, it could work out well if USers weren't so interested in sending cash into america.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 18 Nov, 2006 09:40 pm
Cyracuz wrote:
Quote:
I don 't have much interest in nigeria,
and I am not interested in sending cash out of America.
David


How much money does the US drop on other countries in a year in the form of bombs?


The principle in so doing is sound,
in that government was established to DEFEND America
from all enemies, foreign n domestic.

If we were not going to do THAT,
then we 'd be better off WITHOUT a government.
David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 18 Nov, 2006 09:45 pm
echi wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Cyracuz wrote:
The attitude behind this statement.

david wrote:
I don 't have much interest in nigeria,
and I am not interested in sending cash out of America.
David

OK; thanx for your specificity.

I have a constitutional quarrel with government doing that.

When the Constitution was submitted for ratification,
it wud SURELY have been rejected
if the Federalists had said: " approve it,
and we will take money from u by force
and send it overseas, to the poor. "


If money is stolen from American citizens by government
to give to aliens, that is by USURPATION of ultra vires activity,
in violation of the Supreme Law of the Land,
and in betrayal of those American citizens.


The difference between charity and ROBBERY
is freedom of volition in the donor.
David


Don't hide behind the US Constitution.
It is your own, personal interest that is in question.

I hope to be CLEAR on this point:
since age 0, up to and including now, I have always been selfish
and approved of that in everyone else.
That is Nature 's way,
and good common sense.

However, restraint of government to the confinements
of the Constitution is of paramount importance,
in that this represents the difference between living as a free man,
or as a slave.
David
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flushd
 
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Reply Sun 19 Nov, 2006 06:06 am
OmSigDAVID said: (sorry, the quotes got all messed up!)

The principle in so doing is sound,
in that government was established to DEFEND America
from all enemies, foreign n domestic.

If we were not going to do THAT,
then we 'd be better off WITHOUT a government.
David


Are you going to be joining Dys as an anarchist then? Laughing
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 19 Nov, 2006 07:43 am
flushd wrote:
OmSigDAVID said: (sorry, the quotes got all messed up!)

The principle in so doing is sound,
in that government was established to DEFEND America
from all enemies, foreign n domestic.

If we were not going to do THAT,
then we 'd be better off WITHOUT a government.
David


Are you going to be joining Dys as an anarchist then? Laughing

No.

U caught me, fair n square:
I exagerated. ( My bad. )

In addition to military defenses of America,
government HAS provided other fully constitutional benefits
to the nation; e.g., coining money, establishing weights n measures,
civilly enforcing contracts, and a few other things.
David
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