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Any serious Christians left?

 
 
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 04:15 pm
maporsche wrote:
Here is a direct question to AM that she has chosen not to respond to.


I told you. You got all my answers you are going to get.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 04:22 pm
Lie #1

Lash wrote:
So, in order to keep that psycho crooked Gov. straight, we need to outlaw gambling?


That is not what I said and you know it. I stated that the crime rate had increased in Louisiana and I would imagine that some of the crimes were related to gambling and was asked to provide proof of such a claim. This crime was related to gambling.

Arella Mae wrote:
Echi,

You can start with this article. If there had been no gambling casinos then there would have been no one for the Governor to extort money from for gambling licenses.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 04:31 pm
Lash wrote:
Lie #1

Lash wrote:
So, in order to keep that psycho crooked Gov. straight, we need to outlaw gambling?


That is not what I said and you know it. I stated that the crime rate had increased in Louisiana and I would imagine that some of the crimes were related to gambling and was asked to provide proof of such a claim. This crime was related to gambling.

Arella Mae wrote:
Echi,

You can start with this article. If there had been no gambling casinos then there would have been no one for the Governor to extort money from for gambling licenses.



Lash, you can't hit them with facts like that one.....she'll never respond to you now.



I'd also like to point out that her other "facts" included things like murder and rape as being connected to gambling, which is totatlly absurd to blame on gambling. So even her other "facts" are highly questionable.

She has yet to provide any substantial data to support her opinion as being anything other than church docterine. And when presented with a government report based on a 12 year study she simply passes by with no comment.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 04:32 pm
There are many stats on the percentage of religious affiliations in the US.
This is only one of them.

Religious Preference % June 1996 % March 2001 March 2002
Christian................... 84................. 82.............. 82

This doesn't take away from my thesis about religion and high crimes in the US. I'm sure there are stats "out there" that shows that over 90-percent of Americans believe in some kind of religious' belief.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 04:35 pm
AM wrote: Arella Mae wrote:
Echi,

You can start with this article. If there had been no gambling casinos then there would have been no one for the Governor to extort money from for gambling licenses.

WOW! It doesn't matter that the gambling places like Las Vegas, Reno, and many other places in the US provides "honest employment to many Americans."
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 04:35 pm
Lie #1

Arella Mae wrote:
Echi,

You can start with this article. If there had been no gambling casinos then there would have been no one for the Governor to extort money from for gambling licenses.


I really think you have let your animosity towards me get the better of you Lash. This was a crime related to gambling. Gambling is against God's laws. That is why I voted against it. And I believed the increase in crime (those related to the gambling) is evidence it is not a good thing and I gave aninstance of a crime related to gambling. If there had been no casinos THIS PARTICULAR CRIME would not have been committed. Rolling Eyes
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 04:36 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
There are many stats on the percentage of religious affiliations in the US.
This is only one of them.

Religious Preference % June 1996 % March 2001 March 2002
Christian................... 84................. 82.............. 82

This doesn't take away from my thesis about religion and high crimes in the US. I'm sure there are stats "out there" that shows that over 90-percent of Americans believe in some kind of religious' belief.


Source please?
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maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 04:37 pm
Arella Mae wrote:
Lie #1

Arella Mae wrote:
Echi,

You can start with this article. If there had been no gambling casinos then there would have been no one for the Governor to extort money from for gambling licenses.


I really think you have let your animosity towards me get the better of you Lash. This was a crime related to gambling. Gambling is against God's laws. That is why I voted against it. And I believed the increase in crime (those related to the gambling) is evidence it is not a good thing and I gave aninstance of a crime related to gambling. If there had been no casinos THIS PARTICULAR CRIME would not have been committed. Rolling Eyes



Could you provide proof in scripture where gambling is outlawed by god?
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 04:39 pm
Lash wrote:

Lying hillbilly? Is that the best you can do, Lash?

No. Not by a long shot. But, it is apropos.

What is wrong with you?

When faced with hillbilly liars who want to deprive me and other citizens of their rights, I get rather bent out of shape. You'd understand if you were human.

And you think my thinking is twisted? They try to rid ourselves and their perverted families of the ability to do things because they can't control themselves to make ethical choices? They are so lascivious and evil? And just to whom are you referring Lash?

You and people like you who want to deprive other people of their rights to make their own choices. I am asserting that your motivation is based on your own craven proclivities.

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I must say. I very nearly hate these people.


If this is very nearly hate, then I dare say I don't want to see full blown hate.

Then, you should pluck your eyes out.

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This is her evidence.


The evidence I said that I would provide was that there was some crime related to the gambling issue and that is what I did.

There is some crime related to preschool.
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Give crooked people less stuff to steal.


Twist it why don't you Lash? I said it is wrong in God's eyes.
From God's appointed optician. I brought the your quote that said if there was no gambling Edwards wouldn't have anywhere to steal from. WHY LIE?

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No more televised church. No more offering plate.


Now who is wanting to take away whose rights? But I guess it's ok for you to do it but God forbid I would even appear to do such a thing by merely casting my vote as is my right the way I want to cast it.

You choose to take rights from other people. You should at least admit it.

Now, would you kindly just stop this?

That'd be a no.

You attack me at every turn Lash and quite honestly, I think you are losing it.

Take a lookback on the thread. Are you so far gone you don't see the reality of these exchanges? Did you read the statements directed at you? Do you usually put winkie emoticons to responses, when someone has gutted you for a liar and lame dissembler? Are you on this planet? It appears YOU are losing it.

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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 04:39 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
AM wrote: Arella Mae wrote:
Echi,

You can start with this article. If there had been no gambling casinos then there would have been no one for the Governor to extort money from for gambling licenses.

WOW! It doesn't matter that the gambling places like Las Vegas, Reno, and many other places in the US provides "honest employment to many Americans."


We were discussing the gambling and crime rate in LOUISIANA! Yes one of the links did have other state statistics on it and perhaps I should have pointed out specificially that I wanted everyone to only refer to Louisiana. I kind of thought y'all knew I meant Louisiana when I said Louisiana.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 04:45 pm
In other words, god wants gambling stopped only in LA.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 04:45 pm
Arella Mae wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
AM wrote: Arella Mae wrote:
Echi,

You can start with this article. If there had been no gambling casinos then there would have been no one for the Governor to extort money from for gambling licenses.

WOW! It doesn't matter that the gambling places like Las Vegas, Reno, and many other places in the US provides "honest employment to many Americans."


We were discussing the gambling and crime rate in LOUISIANA! Yes one of the links did have other state statistics on it and perhaps I should have pointed out specificially that I wanted everyone to only refer to Louisiana. I kind of thought y'all knew I meant Louisiana when I said Louisiana.


If gambling is the cause for increased crime then it wouldn't matter what state you looked at, you'd see the increase everywhere that you saw gambling. This only goes to further the proof that gambling is not responsible for increased crime.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 04:49 pm
maporsche wrote:
Arella Mae wrote:
Lie #1

Arella Mae wrote:
Echi,

You can start with this article. If there had been no gambling casinos then there would have been no one for the Governor to extort money from for gambling licenses.


I really think you have let your animosity towards me get the better of you Lash. This was a crime related to gambling. Gambling is against God's laws. That is why I voted against it. And I believed the increase in crime (those related to the gambling) is evidence it is not a good thing and I gave aninstance of a crime related to gambling. If there had been no casinos THIS PARTICULAR CRIME would not have been committed. Rolling Eyes



Could you provide proof in scripture where gambling is outlawed by god?


Oh and I'm sure you're going to point out the words that I said "it was against God's laws" and that is not specifically what the Bible says. If it is wrong in God's eyes for any reason then it's wrong. Also, if a person thinks something is a sin and they engage in that activity, then they sin. I suppose you want the scripture for that also?

http://www.gotquestions.org/gambling-sin.html
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 04:50 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
In other words, god wants gambling stopped only in LA.


I live in Louisiana. We were discussing me voting in Louisiana.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 04:55 pm
Arella Mae wrote:
maporsche wrote:
Arella Mae wrote:
Lie #1

Arella Mae wrote:
Echi,

You can start with this article. If there had been no gambling casinos then there would have been no one for the Governor to extort money from for gambling licenses.


I really think you have let your animosity towards me get the better of you Lash. This was a crime related to gambling. Gambling is against God's laws. That is why I voted against it. And I believed the increase in crime (those related to the gambling) is evidence it is not a good thing and I gave aninstance of a crime related to gambling. If there had been no casinos THIS PARTICULAR CRIME would not have been committed. Rolling Eyes



Could you provide proof in scripture where gambling is outlawed by god?


Oh and I'm sure you're going to point out the words that I said "it was against God's laws" and that is not specifically what the Bible says. If it is wrong in God's eyes for any reason then it's wrong. Also, if a person thinks something is a sin and they engage in that activity, then they sin. I suppose you want the scripture for that also?

http://www.gotquestions.org/gambling-sin.html


Just curious if it was in the bible in plain spoken english, like Thou shalt not gamble, or if it was some interpreted rule based on the scripture from several different books of the bible taken out of context. It would appear that the latter is the origination of your belief.

So, the bible says that thou shalt not waste money, and points out that going to the movies is a waste of money, purchasing a worthless item is a waste of money, etc. I assume that you'll vote to close down movie theaters too right?
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 05:17 pm
Arella Mae wrote:
Lie #1

Arella Mae wrote:
Echi,

You can start with this article. If there had been no gambling casinos then there would have been no one for the Governor to extort money from for gambling licenses.


I really think you have let your animosity towards me get the better of you Lash. This was a crime related to gambling. Gambling is against God's laws. That is why I voted against it. And I believed the increase in crime (those related to the gambling) is evidence it is not a good thing and I gave aninstance of a crime related to gambling. If there had been no casinos THIS PARTICULAR CRIME would not have been committed. Rolling Eyes



Arella, help me understand this. You say gambling is against god's law and why you voted against it.

Can you explain to me why so many churches host/sponsor money-making bingo games in which lottery tickets are sold by church volunteers wandering the aisles of bingo tables?

If you don't consider bingo gambling, what distinguishes the jackpots won in bingo games from the jackpots won at poker tables?
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mesquite
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 05:29 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Some of us have progressed. :wink:


Maybe the colder winters help, but none the less, the scriptures have not progressed.

So long as the scriptures remain in their present form we must be ever on guard for those that will take them at their face value.

Originally posted on A2K by Lola here.

http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v08n1/chrisre1.html

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What is Reconstructionism?
Reconstructionism is a theology that arose out of conservative Presbyterianism (Reformed and Orthodox), which proposes that contemporary application of the laws of Old Testament Israel, or "Biblical Law," is the basis for reconstructing society toward the Kingdom of God on earth.

Reconstructionism argues that the Bible is to be the governing text for all areas of life--such as government, education, law, and the arts, not merely "social" or "moral" issues like pornography, homosexuality, and abortion. Reconstructionists have formulated a "Biblical world view" and "Biblical principles" by which to examine contemporary matters. Reconstructionist theologian David Chilton succinctly describes this view: "The Christian goal for the world is the universal development of Biblical theocratic republics, in which every area of life is redeemed and placed under the Lordship of Jesus Christ and the rule of God's law."

More broadly, Reconstructionists believe that there are three main areas of governance: family government, church government, and civil government. Under God's covenant, the nuclear family is the basic unit. The husband is the head of the family, and wife and children are "in submission" to him. In turn, the husband "submits" to Jesus and to God's laws as detailed in the Old Testament. The church has its own ecclesiastical structure and governance. Civil government exists to implement God's laws. All three institutions are under Biblical Law, the implementation of which is called "theonomy."...


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Capital Punishment
Epitomizing the Reconstructionist idea of Biblical "warfare" is the centrality of capital punishment under Biblical Law. Doctrinal leaders (notably Rushdoony, North, and Bahnsen) call for the death penalty for a wide range of crimes in addition to such contemporary capital crimes as rape, kidnapping, and murder. Death is also the punishment for apostasy (abandonment of the faith), heresy, blasphemy, witchcraft, astrology, adultery, "sodomy or homosexuality," incest, striking a parent, incorrigible juvenile delinquency, and, in the case of women, "unchastity before marriage."

According to Gary North, women who have abortions should be publicly executed, "along with those who advised them to abort their children." Rushdoony concludes: "God's government prevails, and His alternatives are clear-cut: either men and nations obey His laws, or God invokes the death penalty against them."
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 05:35 pm
Quote:
Echi,

You can start with this article. If there had been no gambling casinos then there would have been no one for the Governor to extort money from for gambling licenses.


Arella,

I don't understand your logic, here. In this example the casinos did not break the law. In fact, the casinos were the victims. By your logic, wouldn't you also be against banks and 7-11's?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 05:40 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Coastal Rat, It's true that anyone can claim to be a christian or a dingbat. Same-o, same-o.


Laughing Which do you claim to be, C.I.?
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Treya
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2006 05:45 pm
LOL Good one intrepid!
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