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Only Answer for Deer is Licensed Hunting

 
 
gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Fri 13 Oct, 2006 07:03 pm
This is a big night for me. Not only did Tai Chi offer me possum crap, but sozobe gave me words of approval.

I am very happy right now.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Fri 13 Oct, 2006 07:06 pm
farmerman wrote:

Gus why are you collecting porcupine crap?


I think it looks nice on the mantel.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 13 Oct, 2006 07:06 pm
There is an aura of fellowship about the swamp tonight. Any werewolves down there gus?
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Fri 13 Oct, 2006 07:11 pm
I believe I saw one about a half hour ago.
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Tai Chi
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 07:32 am
farmerman wrote:
Tai chi--youre not chai tea in anagram form are you?


Jeez, are you trying to get me into trouble? She's a lovely mug of spicy hot milky beverage -- I'm a "golden rooster stands on right leg" kind of moving meditation. We're nothing alike Smile
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 08:30 am
sozobe wrote:
For the record, I don't mind hunting to cull wild deer populations.

I mind that hunting and development has to do with why they're so out of control -- that their natural predators like wolves aren't able to do what they've done forever.


You'd stop minding that the very first day one of your kids got torn apart by a pack of wolves. Our ancestors were not idiots; they got rid of wolves in the south 48 for real and substantial reasons.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 09:29 am
gungasnake wrote:
sozobe wrote:
For the record, I don't mind hunting to cull wild deer populations.

I mind that hunting and development has to do with why they're so out of control -- that their natural predators like wolves aren't able to do what they've done forever.


You'd stop minding that the very first day one of your kids got torn apart by a pack of wolves. Our ancestors were not idiots; they got rid of wolves in the south 48 for real and substantial reasons.


Early settlers moving westward severely depleted most populations of bison, deer, elk, and moose -- animals that were important prey for wolves. With little alternative, the wolf then turned to the sheep and cattle that had replaced its natural prey. To protect livestock, ranchers and government agencies began a campaign to eliminate the wolf. Bounty programs, initiated in the 19th Century, continued as late as 1965, offering $20 to $50 per wolf. Wolves were trapped, shot from planes and snowmobiles, and hunted with dogs. Animal carcasses salted with strychnine were left out for wolves to eat. This practice killed millions of wolves and, indiscriminately, also eagles ravens, foxes, bears, and other animals, which also fed on the poisoned carrion.
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 11:00 am
Gus, that's bullshit. You can easily hit a deer even if you're paying full attention. A deer could run right in front of your car and you simply wouldn't have enough reaction time to stop. Just because you haven't hit one yet doesn't mean you never will.

A seasoned, motorcycle writer/safety instructor was killed earlier this year from hitting a deer. His wife quoted him as saying he can deal with the other drivers and obstacles on the road, but if there's one thing that will get him, it'll be a wild animal.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 06:46 pm
Intrepid wrote:


... To protect livestock, ranchers and government agencies began a campaign to eliminate the wolf. Bounty programs, initiated in the 19th Century, continued as late as 1965, offering $20 to $50 per wolf.


On this planet and probably in the entire Milky Way galaxy, there is not a better or more productive way to spend twenty to fifty dollars.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 06:54 pm
Slappy wrote:
Gus, that's bullshit. You can easily hit a deer even if you're paying full attention. A deer could run right in front of your car and you simply wouldn't have enough reaction time to stop. Just because you haven't hit one yet doesn't mean you never will.


You didn't read my post properly, Slappy. I said almost never. I realize there are instances where there is virtually nothing the driver can do, but that is a very, very, small percentage of the time.

And, by the way, I never expect you to correct me, or try to correct me, again.

Is that understood?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 07:12 pm
gungasnake wrote:
Intrepid wrote:


... To protect livestock, ranchers and government agencies began a campaign to eliminate the wolf. Bounty programs, initiated in the 19th Century, continued as late as 1965, offering $20 to $50 per wolf.


On this planet and probably in the entire Milky Way galaxy, there is not a better or more productive way to spend twenty to fifty dollars.


They might put the money to better use in curbing the gun population
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 07:31 pm
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
You didn't read my post properly, Slappy. I said almost never. I realize there are instances where there is virtually nothing the driver can do, but that is a very, very, small percentage of the time.

And, by the way, I never expect you to correct me, or try to correct me, again.

Is that understood?


Thank you sir, may I have another!

However I still think more than a very very small % is unavoidable. Then again I'm just a city slicker.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 07:43 pm
Slappy, I know how you think, and, more importantly, I know how you drive.

You have no business being in this conversation.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 07:46 pm
Intrepid wrote:
gungasnake wrote:
Intrepid wrote:


... To protect livestock, ranchers and government agencies began a campaign to eliminate the wolf. Bounty programs, initiated in the 19th Century, continued as late as 1965, offering $20 to $50 per wolf.


On this planet and probably in the entire Milky Way galaxy, there is not a better or more productive way to spend twenty to fifty dollars.


They might put the money to better use in curbing the gun population


Why, so you can find out where the former gun owners, now stripped of their protection, live? So you can rob them?

Seriously Int, you don't think I know what kind of troll you are?
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 01:21 am
Some of the worst horror stories I ever read on the internet involve leftist wolf-dumping programs. I almost don't know where to start on this one, but this story might do for starters:

http://www.billingsgazette.com/newdex.php?display=rednews/2004/05/16/build/state/30-wolves.inc

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Robert Weber saw them out his kitchen window, hopping in inch-deep snow in the pasture where his sheep were supposed to be.

Out of the house to investigate in the early morning light, Weber saw what had drawn the black-and-white scavengers to his Paradise Valley ranch. The birds were picking away at his dead sheep.

"I counted eight dead sheep and a couple more torn up pretty bad," Weber said, recalling the morning last December. "I could see wolf tracks all over, about five inches long. That's one hell of a track."

The sheep that survived were huddled together and terrified - some are still stricken with fear today, Weber said. The wolves returned the next night to his brother's place next door, scattering 17 dead sheep over a half-mile, according to Weber.

"This was like Pearl Harbor for my brother and me," said Weber, 79. "I've fought coyotes out here for 50 years but they don't hold a candle to these wolves." ...................
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 01:31 am
http://www.rangemagazine.com/archives/stories/winter02/wolf.htm

http://www.rangemagazine.com/archives/stories/winter02/winter02pix/wolfimages/wolf8_03.jpg

Horror story about dealing with wolves and federal authorities:

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A...s her husband swung his rifle in her direction, Diana Sundles threw herself to the ground. His fourth shot finally killed the large grey wolf that was charging at them, dropping the animal just 10 feet from her prone figure....
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 01:37 am
Basic reality: wolves kill for sport, destroying entire herds of prey animals and entire flocks of domestic animals, and driving elk and deer populations into collapse and a yo-yo cycle in which deer/elk populations collapse and then wolf populations collapse, and then both slowly rebuild, but you lose genetic diversity at the bottom end of each yoyo cycle, and the whole thing is healthy for nobody, least of all any humans living in the afflicted areas.

The people doing this **** are basically bullies, who understand little in life other than personal consequences. They need to be sued into tommorrow-morrow land and one other thing I'd recommend to the people of Wyoming and Idaho would be to round up a couple of dozen of these same Canadian wolves in a truck and dump them in Central Park, NYC and left the pinko bastards see what it's like.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 06:36 am
Wolves who are reintroduced in areas where the game population has significantly changed since they last lived there will kill for sport. There are no great migrations of bison any longer, for example. Wolves were always good at culling the herds of diseased animals. And yes a pack of wolves can bring down a bison, or a caribou, or just about anything they can herd and catch.

This change in the wildlife populations has more to do with human modifications to the landscape than hunting. For those who want to talk about bison - they weren't so much hunted as they were slaughtered - a big part of the reason we have the conservation efforts that exist today and for the last 100 years. These man made changes to the ecosystems make us the stewards of wildlife, whether it was the original intent or not.

I don't want wolves in the woods where I am though. At least bears are for the most part solitary and skittish. Wolves you just cannot see - they hunt all the time - including hunting you. Mountain lions are the same way. In California, lion hunting was stupidly put a a vote, and now there are lions showing up in downtown areas, and people getting killed. My wife and I were once stalked by a mountain lion - we almost didn't notice it until it was too late. Not cool.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 07:29 am
cjhsa wrote:
Mountain lions are the same way. In California, lion hunting was stupidly put a a vote, and now there are lions showing up in downtown areas, and people getting killed. My wife and I were once stalked by a mountain lion - we almost didn't notice it until it was too late. Not cool.


Cats for the most part have the decency to kill things first and then eat them; wolves don't.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 07:46 am
(((LAUGHING AT GUNGA))). The "horror" stories that you push are mostly bullshit, tg at your heartsrings examples of the worst events in farming magazines. Out in the west, most large herds (25000 ewes or more) lose waay more lambs and sheep to foul weather than to wolves and predators. Most real shee farmers will own great pyrenees or Komondoor dog packs that will easily handle wolves. Wolves are not stupid they will not mess with anything that can cause them to lose their abilities to work within their pack. They will be abandoned and will die should they get seriously hurt. A KOmondoor ( or a great number of other herd protection breeds) will attack a wolf pack head on and work them by inflicting serious wounds to their haunches and legs, then they will slip back away and take on others. Usually farmers have packs of 5 or more komondoors. Wolves dont stand a chance.

Around here, in the east coast, the big problem is pet dogs. They will attack sheep for fun also. We have cattle in with the sheep and 2 crazy ass llamas that will kick the crap out of anything that crosses the fence without a human escort.

I have guns in reserve but have only had to use them once, when a pit bull was holed up in our paddock and had two sheep down. He got "horneted"
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